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Chloe Martin

When should I file Form 926 for foreign transfers - timing questions

So I recently got involved with a Publicly Traded Partnership that made a transfer to a foreign corporation. I'm trying to figure out if I'm required to file Form 926 (Return by a U.S. Transferor of Property to a Foreign Corporation) with my taxes this year. After digging through the IRS instructions, it seems like there might be an exception if you own less than 5% of the partnership that's filing. My ownership stake is absolutely tiny - something like 0.00003% of the partnership. I definitely don't want to get hit with penalties for not filing something required, but also don't want to deal with the extra paperwork if I don't need to. The instructions aren't super clear about my specific situation. Has anyone dealt with this Form 926 requirement for minimal PTP ownership before? Any guidance on whether I need to file in my situation or other resources I should check? Thanks in advance for any help!

You're on the right track with your understanding. For Form 926, the filing requirements depend on your ownership percentage and the nature of the transfer. Since you own less than 0.00004% of the PTP, you almost certainly don't need to file Form 926 yourself. The instructions specify that a U.S. person who transfers property to a foreign corporation is required to file Form 926, but there's an exception for partners with less than a 5% interest in the partnership. The partnership itself would be responsible for reporting the transfer on Form 926 since they made the actual transfer to the foreign corporation. Your minimal ownership doesn't trigger a separate filing requirement. If you want to be absolutely certain, you could request a copy of the partnership's K-1 footnotes or supplemental information, which should have details about any foreign reporting requirements that flow through to the partners.

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Thanks for the explanation. If the PTP does file Form 926, would I get any documentation showing they took care of it? Or is this something I'd never see unless I specifically asked? Also, is this different than FBAR reporting? I always get confused with these foreign reporting requirements.

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The PTP wouldn't automatically send you documentation showing they filed Form 926. You'd need to request the information or look for any mentions in the footnotes of your Schedule K-1 or supplemental materials they provide. Sometimes PTPs will have investor relations portals where they share tax filing information. This is completely different from FBAR reporting. Form 926 is for reporting transfers to foreign corporations, while FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) is for reporting foreign financial accounts if your total foreign accounts exceed $10,000 at any point during the year. They serve different reporting purposes under different sections of tax law.

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If you really want to be 100% certain about your Form 926 filing obligations, you could try calling the IRS directly for guidance. Of course, that's easier said than done. I spent DAYS trying to get through to someone who could answer my question about foreign reporting forms last year. I eventually used https://claimyr.com which got me through to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes instead of the hours I was spending on hold. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. The agent I spoke with confirmed that partners with less than 5% ownership don't need to file Form 926 separately as long as the partnership itself files.

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It doesn't just keep calling repeatedly. They use a system that monitors the IRS phone lines and identifies the best times to call with the shortest wait times. When a line opens up, it calls you and connects you directly to the IRS. It essentially jumps you ahead in the queue. You're right that different IRS agents sometimes give different answers. That's why I made sure to get the agent's ID number and took detailed notes of our conversation. The agent specifically cited the regulation about the 5% threshold for Form 926 (I believe it was Treas. Reg. § 1.6038B-1(b)(3)), so I felt confident in the guidance. Having documentation of who told you what provides some penalty protection if there's ever a question.

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Don't forget that even if you don't need to file Form 926, there might be other foreign reporting requirements depending on what the PTP is invested in. For example, if they hold PFICs (Passive Foreign Investment Companies), you might need to file Form 8621 regardless of your percentage ownership. Same goes for Form 8938 (foreign financial assets) or FBAR if your portion of foreign accounts exceeds the thresholds. The 5% rule is specific to Form 926 only.

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Thanks for bringing this up - I hadn't even considered other foreign forms! Does anyone know if there's a comprehensive list somewhere of all possible foreign reporting requirements that might apply to PTP investments? I'm wondering if I should be worried about PFIC stuff too now.

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There isn't really a single comprehensive list because the requirements depend on your specific situation and the nature of the PTP's investments. However, the most common foreign reporting forms that might apply to PTP investments include: - Form 8621 for PFICs (if the PTP invests in foreign corporations that meet the PFIC criteria) - Form 8938 for specified foreign financial assets (if your portion exceeds the threshold) - FinCEN Form 114 (FBAR) for foreign financial accounts - Form 8865 for foreign partnerships (usually not applicable for most PTP investors with small stakes) - Forms 5471 and 8992 for controlled foreign corporations (again, usually not relevant for small investors) The best approach is to carefully review the footnotes and supplemental information that comes with your Schedule K-1. PTPs are generally good about indicating when there's information that might trigger additional filing requirements.

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I made the mistake of not filing Form 926 a few years ago when I should have (owned over 10% of a partnership with foreign transfers). The penalties are NO JOKE. Started at 10% of the value of the property transferred.

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Ouch! Were you able to do anything to reduce the penalties? Did you do a voluntary disclosure or anything like that?

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Based on what others have shared here, it sounds like you're likely in the clear for Form 926 with such a tiny ownership stake (0.00003%). The 5% threshold exemption should definitely apply to you. That said, I'd strongly recommend double-checking your K-1 supplemental materials for any mentions of foreign reporting requirements. Even though you don't need Form 926, there could be other foreign forms required depending on what types of investments the PTP holds overseas. I've learned the hard way that it's always better to be overly cautious with foreign reporting requirements - the penalties can be severe if you miss something. If you can't find clear guidance in your partnership documents, it might be worth getting a definitive answer from a tax professional or the IRS directly rather than guessing.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm also in a similar situation with a small PTP stake and foreign complications. Your point about checking the K-1 supplemental materials is spot on - I almost missed some PFIC reporting requirements that were buried in the footnotes last year. One thing I've found useful is to create a checklist of all the potential foreign forms (926, 8621, 8938, FBAR, etc.) and systematically go through each one to see if it applies. Even though most won't be relevant for small investors, it helps ensure you don't overlook anything important. The penalty risk is definitely real - better to spend a little extra time upfront than deal with IRS issues later!

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Great question, and you're absolutely right to be cautious about this! With your 0.00003% ownership stake, you should be well under the 5% threshold that exempts you from filing Form 926 personally. The partnership itself would handle the reporting for their transfer to the foreign corporation. However, I'd echo what others have mentioned about checking for other potential foreign reporting requirements. Even though Form 926 doesn't apply to you, your K-1 might contain information that triggers other forms like 8621 for PFICs or 8938 for foreign financial assets. One practical tip: when you get your Schedule K-1, look specifically for any codes in boxes 11, 13, 16, or 17 that relate to foreign activities. PTPs are usually pretty good about including supplemental statements that explain any additional filing obligations that flow through to partners. The good news is that with such a minimal ownership percentage, you're unlikely to hit the thresholds for most foreign reporting requirements, but it's still worth a quick check to be absolutely certain. The penalties for missing required foreign forms can be harsh, so better safe than sorry!

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