Form 8865 Filing Requirements - Determining Category 3 Foreign Partnership Reporting
I'm working with a private client who invested about $475,000 cash into a foreign partnership back in 2019, acquiring a 2.25% ownership interest. I'm trying to figure out if I need to file Form 8865 as a category 3 filer for them. Here's what's confusing me - IRC Sec. 6038B(b)(1) seems to say that contributions to foreign partnerships only need reporting if: 1) The US person ends up with at least a 10% interest after the transfer OR 2) The fair market value of what they contributed exceeds $100,000 Since their ownership percentage is under 10% but the contributed amount is well over $100,000, I'm thinking they need to file. But I'm not 100% certain if there are any exceptions I'm missing or if my interpretation is correct. Anyone have experience with Form 8865 for smaller percentage owners who contribute substantial amounts? This is for a high-net-worth client and I want to make sure we're compliant.
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Dmitry Sokolov
You're on the right track with your understanding of the Form 8865 filing requirements. When a US person contributes more than $100,000 to a foreign partnership, they become a Category 3 filer regardless of their ownership percentage. The $100,000 threshold and the 10% ownership are separate triggers - meeting either one requires filing. In your client's case, since they contributed approximately $475,000, they definitely meet the Category 3 filer requirements even though they only own 2.25%. You'll need to complete Form 8865 with Schedule O which specifically addresses transfers of property to foreign partnerships. Make sure you have all the details about the foreign partnership itself - you'll need information about the partnership's name, address, EIN (if any), country of organization, and principal business activity.
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Ava Martinez
•Thanks for the info. Question - does it matter if the partnership is in a treaty country vs a non-treaty country? I have a similar situation but the partnership is based in Cayman Islands.
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Dmitry Sokolov
•The treaty status doesn't affect the basic filing requirement for Form 8865. Whether the foreign partnership is in a treaty country or non-treaty country like the Cayman Islands, the same thresholds apply - over $100,000 contribution or 10%+ ownership makes you a Category 3 filer. Where it might matter is in terms of information reporting and potential penalties. Partnerships in jurisdictions with less robust information exchange agreements with the US might require more detailed reporting. Always document your due diligence thoroughly, especially with entities in jurisdictions like Cayman Islands.
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Paolo Longo
Has anyone dealt with late filing penalties for Form 8865? My client didn't know about the Category 3 requirements and has missed filing for 3 years. Contributions were around $200k each year to a UK partnership with a 5% ownership stake. Looking at the penalty provisions is giving me anxiety!
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CosmicCowboy
•You should look into the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures if this was a non-willful violation. I had a similar situation with a client last year. The penalties can be significant otherwise - up to $10,000 per year plus potential percentage penalties based on the amount transferred. We ended up filing delinquent forms with a reasonable cause statement and so far haven't received any penalty notices.
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Paolo Longo
•Thanks for the suggestion about Streamlined procedures. I'll definitely look into that. Did you need to file delinquent FBARs as well in your case? And did you use a standard reasonable cause template or create a custom statement for your specific situation? I've started pulling together documentation showing the client wasn't aware of the filing requirement. They actually had a previous accountant who missed this entirely, so I'm hoping we can make a strong case for reasonable cause.
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Amina Diallo
One thing to consider - contributions made in installments over the year. I had a client who made 4 separate contributions to a foreign partnership, each around $30k, totaling $120k for the year. Does anyone know if these are aggregated for the $100k threshold? The regulations aren't super clear on timing.
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Dmitry Sokolov
•Yes, the $100,000 threshold applies to the aggregate of all transfers made during the tax year. So in your case, even though each individual contribution was under $100k, since they totaled over $100k for the year, Form 8865 filing would be required as a Category 3 filer. The instructions state: "A U.S. person that contributed property during the tax year to a foreign partnership in exchange for an interest in the partnership..." So it's the cumulative contributions during the tax year that matter, not individual transfers.
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Selena Bautista
Your interpretation is absolutely correct. Since your client contributed $475,000 to the foreign partnership, they definitely meet the Category 3 filing requirements under IRC Section 6038B(b)(1). The $100,000 threshold is clear - any US person who contributes property with a fair market value exceeding $100,000 to a foreign partnership must file Form 8865, regardless of their ownership percentage. The 10% ownership test and the $100,000 contribution test are alternative triggers, not cumulative requirements. Meeting either one requires filing. In this case, even though your client only has a 2.25% interest, the substantial contribution amount makes filing mandatory. Make sure to complete Schedule O (Transfer of Property to a Foreign Partnership) along with the main form. You'll need detailed information about the property transferred, its fair market value at the time of contribution, and any gain recognized on the transfer. Given the high-net-worth nature of your client, I'd also recommend documenting your analysis thoroughly in case of future IRS inquiries.
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Nathan Kim
•This is really helpful confirmation! I'm new to international tax reporting and was getting overwhelmed by all the different categories and thresholds. Just to make sure I understand - if a client makes multiple smaller contributions throughout the year that add up to over $100k, those would also aggregate to trigger the Category 3 requirement, correct? Also, when you mention documenting the analysis thoroughly, what specific documentation would you recommend keeping beyond the standard partnership agreement and contribution records? I want to make sure I'm building a complete file for this type of high-value international reporting.
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