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I just want to add that if you do hit a big jackpot (usually $1,200+ for slots), the casino will withhold 24% federal tax and issue you a W-2G form right there. But that doesn't mean you're done with taxes on that win! You'll still need to report it on your tax return, and depending on your tax bracket, you might owe more or potentially get some back if your actual tax rate is lower than 24%. Also, some states have their own withholding requirements for gambling winnings. In my state they take an additional 6% right away.
This actually happened to me last year. Won $3,000 on a slot machine, they withheld $720 federal tax on the spot. But when I filed my taxes, I had to pay an additional $330 because I'm in a higher tax bracket than the 24% they withheld. Definitely something to budget for if you hit a jackpot!
Exactly! Many people don't realize the withholding is just an estimate. It's similar to how tax withholding works on your paycheck - it's just an approximation of what you might owe. I actually experienced the opposite situation. I'm retired with relatively low income, so my effective tax rate is lower than 24%. When I filed my taxes after winning a small jackpot, I actually got some of the withholding back as part of my refund. But as you pointed out, if you're in a higher bracket, be prepared to pay the difference!
One thing that might help clarify the confusion is understanding that gambling taxes follow the same principle as other income - you're taxed on net profit, not gross winnings, but the reporting process can be tricky. In your example with the $1250 bet and $1500 win, you're absolutely right that your actual profit is only $250. The key issue is whether you can effectively deduct that $1250 loss against the $1500 win on your tax return. If you itemize deductions, you can deduct gambling losses up to the amount of your gambling winnings for the year. So you'd report $1500 as income but deduct $1250 as a gambling loss, leaving you taxed on the $250 profit - which is correct. The problem arises when the standard deduction is better for your situation. In that case, you'd pay taxes on the full $1500 without being able to deduct the $1250 wager, which creates exactly the scenario you described where you lose money despite "winning." This is why many casual gamblers end up paying more in taxes than they should, and why keeping detailed records of all gambling activity throughout the year is so important - it helps you determine whether itemizing might be beneficial.
Just a heads up that Line 37 on the 1040 form has been different in past years! I was looking at my old returns and the liability line has moved around. Make sure you're looking at the right form version for the year you're checking.
Yes! This is so important. I was looking at my 2021 return and the lines were totally different. The IRS redesigns these forms regularly and it's super confusing.
Just wanted to add a practical tip for everyone - if you discover you do have a tax liability from 2023, don't panic! The IRS is actually pretty reasonable about setting up payment plans. You can apply online for an installment agreement if you owe less than $50,000. The setup fee is usually around $31-$225 depending on how you apply and your payment method, but it's way better than dealing with escalating penalties and interest. Also, if you're having trouble reading your 1040 form, the IRS has a "Understanding Your Form 1040" guide on their website that breaks down what each line means. It's actually written in plain English, unlike the form itself! Sometimes the simplest solutions are right there on the official IRS site.
This is really helpful advice! I had no idea you could set up payment plans online for amounts under $50k. I've been stressing about a $3,200 liability from 2023 thinking I'd have to deal with phone calls and paperwork. The setup fee seems totally reasonable compared to letting penalties pile up. Quick question - do you know if there's a minimum monthly payment amount for these installment agreements? I want to make sure I can afford whatever they require before I apply.
honestly if ure under like 12k for the year u probly dont owe any fed taxes anyway bc of the standard deduction so it might not matter. but def call ur job to make sure its not a mistake
That's not entirely accurate. Even if you're under the standard deduction, you still have to file a return if you had any federal tax withheld that you want refunded. Also, if you have self-employment income over $400, you still have to file regardless of the standard deduction threshold.
@Cass Green is right - even if you don t'owe taxes, you should still file to make sure everything is properly documented with the IRS. Plus, if you re'eligible for any credits like the Earned Income Credit, you could actually get money back even with zero withholding. @Simon White - definitely call your employer first though. Summer jobs at small companies sometimes have payroll issues, and it s better'to get a corrected W-2 now than deal with amended returns later. The standard deduction for 2023 was $13,850, so you re well'under that, but you still want accurate records.
Based on your income level and the fact that this was seasonal summer work, there's a good chance no federal tax withholding was actually required. The IRS withholding tables are designed to project your annual income, and if that projection falls below the standard deduction threshold, employers may not withhold federal taxes. However, I'd still recommend taking a two-step approach: First, contact your employer's payroll department to confirm they processed your W-4 correctly and that the blank field isn't a clerical error on the W-2. Second, when you file your return, you'll likely find that with only $8,750 in income, you're well below the $13,850 standard deduction for 2023, meaning you probably won't owe any federal income tax anyway. The key thing is to file your return even if you don't owe taxes - this creates a proper record with the IRS and ensures you receive any refundable credits you might be eligible for. Don't stress too much about this; seasonal workers with lower incomes commonly see zero federal withholding, and it's usually not a problem as long as the documentation is accurate.
The structuring point is really important - that's something you definitely need to discuss with your tax attorney. If you were making regular deposits just under $10k, that could escalate this beyond a simple underreporting issue. But here's what I want you to focus on right now: you're taking all the right steps. You're getting professional help, you're willing to be honest, and you're prepared to make things right. That puts you in a much better position than someone who tries to hide or fight it. I went through something similar a few years back (not as much money involved, but still scary). The anticipation and anxiety were honestly worse than the actual resolution. The IRS worked with me on a payment plan, and while I paid penalties, it wasn't the life-ending disaster I thought it would be. Document everything you can remember about your deposits - dates, amounts, which clients paid you. Your attorney will help you organize this properly. And try to get some sleep - I know it's hard, but you'll need to be clear-headed for your meeting.
Thanks for the perspective - it really helps to hear from someone who's been through this. I've been barely sleeping since I got that letter, so you're probably right about needing to be clear-headed. I'm trying to remember my deposit patterns now. I think most of my deposits were between $200-800 from individual jobs, with maybe a few larger ones around $1,500-2,000 when I did bigger projects. Nothing close to $10k, so hopefully that structuring thing isn't an issue for me. I've been going through my phone trying to find old text messages with clients about payments and dates. It's amazing how much you forget when you're not keeping proper records. Definitely learned my lesson about organization the hard way. Meeting with the attorney tomorrow morning. Hoping once I have a professional game plan, some of this anxiety will calm down.
You're in a tough spot, but try not to spiral into worst-case scenarios. Based on what you've described - deposit amounts between $200-2,000 from legitimate work - this doesn't sound like the kind of case that leads to criminal prosecution. The fact that you had a regular W-2 job and were doing honest work (just underreporting) works in your favor. The IRS sees a big difference between someone running an illegal business versus someone who did legitimate work but messed up their taxes. Your attorney meeting tomorrow is crucial. Come prepared with whatever documentation you can gather - even text messages with clients can help establish the legitimate nature of your work. Be completely honest about everything, including how disorganized you were with record-keeping. One thing that might help your case: if you can demonstrate that some of those bank deposits were business expenses being reimbursed (materials, gas, etc.) rather than pure profit, that reduces your actual unreported income. Your attorney can help you figure out what's reasonable to claim. The waiting and uncertainty are brutal, but you're handling this the right way. Most people in your situation end up with payment plans and penalties, not prison time.
Natalie Wang
Just to add to what others have said about the hobby vs business distinction - if you decide to treat your glassblowing as a business (which sounds like your best option tax-wise), make sure you're also tracking all possible business expenses! Some people miss deductions for: - Home office space if you do any work at home - Mileage for all business-related driving (studio, supply shopping, delivering pieces) - Phone/internet portion used for business - Marketing costs (business cards, website fees) - Education (any classes or books about improving your glassblowing) - Tools under $2500 can usually be deducted immediately Also, keep in mind that if you make over $400 net profit, you'll need to pay self-employment tax (15.3%) on that profit. But the good news is you can deduct half of that tax on your return.
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Avery Flores
ā¢This is super helpful! I didn't realize I could potentially deduct part of my internet or education expenses. Are there any red flags I should avoid that might increase my chances of getting audited? I'm worried about claiming too many deductions.
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Natalie Wang
ā¢The biggest red flag would be claiming business losses year after year while having substantial income from other sources - the IRS might see that as trying to create artificial losses to offset other income. Make sure your deductions are reasonable and proportional to your income. For example, claiming $5000 in expenses against $2300 in glassblowing revenue would look suspicious. Keep receipts for everything you deduct, and make sure expenses are truly ordinary and necessary for your business. For mixed-use items like phone or internet, only deduct the percentage used for business (like 15-30% for most side hustles). For mileage, keep a log showing dates and business purpose. One lesser-known tip: having a separate bank account and credit card for business transactions makes your record-keeping much stronger in case of questions. This separation shows business intent and makes it easier to track legitimate expenses.
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Noah Torres
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you sell more than $600 worth of items on platforms like eBay, PayPal, Etsy, etc., they'll likely issue you a 1099-K form starting this year. This doesn't change your tax liability, but it means the IRS will know about that income. For your arcade machine example, even though it's a personal item sold at a loss (which isn't taxable), you might still get a 1099-K if you sell it through an online platform. If that happens, you'll need to report the sale on your return to match the 1099-K, but then show that it was a personal item sold at a loss so it doesn't create taxable income. The 1099-K threshold used to be much higher, but now it's just $600, so a lot more casual sellers are getting these forms than in previous years.
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Samantha Hall
ā¢Do you know how we're supposed to report personal items sold at a loss to "match" the 1099-K? I sold a bunch of old electronics and collectibles from my collection last year at way less than I paid, but got a 1099-K from eBay. I can't figure out where this goes on the tax forms.
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Isabella Silva
ā¢For personal items sold at a loss where you received a 1099-K, you'll typically report this on Form 8949 and Schedule D (the same forms used for stock sales). You list each item sold, show your original cost basis (what you paid for it), the sale price from the 1099-K, and the resulting loss. Since these are personal items, the losses aren't deductible - they just offset the income reported on the 1099-K to show zero taxable gain. Make sure to keep documentation of your original purchase prices (receipts, credit card statements, etc.) to support your cost basis. Some tax software will have a specific section for "personal item sales" or "non-business bad debt" that handles this automatically. The key is making sure the gross proceeds match what's on your 1099-K so the IRS systems don't flag a discrepancy.
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