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Evelyn Kelly

What is an IP PIN? Trying to understand if I need one for my business

I'm somewhat confused about this whole IP PIN thing that I keep hearing about. From what I gather, it's possibly some sort of security measure? I'm not entirely sure if this is something I should be concerned about as a small business owner. I file quarterly taxes and occasionally get notices from the IRS, but I've never really had to deal with an IP PIN before, at least I don't think so. Could someone perhaps explain what this is and whether it's something I should look into? Thanks in advance for any insights.

An IP PIN (Identity Protection Personal Identification Number) is a six-digit number assigned by the IRS to eligible taxpayers to help prevent the misuse of their Social Security Number or Individual Taxpayer Identification Number on fraudulent federal income tax returns. Per IRS Publication 5367, the IP PIN serves as an additional layer of security during the tax filing process. As defined in Internal Revenue Code §6109(i), once you have an IP PIN, you must use it to confirm your identity on any tax return you file during the current year and all subsequent years. Without a valid IP PIN, your e-filed return will be rejected, and paper returns will face processing delays of up to 120 days while the IRS verifies your identity.

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I had my identity stolen back in 2022 and the IRS actually required me to get an IP PIN after someone tried filing a fraudulent return using my SSN. The IRS website explains it well, but there's a lot they don't tell you about actually using it. Make sure you keep it somewhere secure because if you lose it, getting a replacement can be a real headache during filing season.

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I've had an IP PIN since January 15, 2023 - does anyone know if they send new ones every year? I received something in the mail around December 2023 but misplaced it, wondering if that was my new PIN for 2024 taxes?

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From my experience last year, yes, they do issue new IP PINs annually. I received mine in a CP01A notice in early January. Can someone confirm if business owners need separate IP PINs for personal and business returns? My CPA mentioned something about this but I'm not 100% clear on the requirements.

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You might want to consider whether you actually need an IP PIN at this point. While they offer additional protection, they're generally issued to those who've been victims of identity theft or who live in certain high-risk areas. You can voluntarily request one through the IRS's Get an IP PIN tool, but just be aware that once you opt in, you'll need to use it for all future tax filings. I'd probably suggest waiting unless you have specific concerns about identity theft.

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Is getting an IP PIN like putting a credit freeze on your account? I'm wondering if it's overkill for someone who hasn't had identity issues. It's like locking your house with three deadbolts when you live in a safe neighborhood - extra security but maybe unnecessary hassle?

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The IP PIN system is actually a critical component of the IRS's identity verification framework. As a business owner myself, I initially had similar questions about how this impacts both personal and business filings. The key distinction is that IP PINs are tied to your individual SSN, not your business EIN. If you're concerned about understanding official IRS notices or documentation around this topic, I've found https://taxr.ai really helpful - it can analyze IRS notices, transcripts, and explain exactly what they mean in plain language. It helped me understand the CP01A notice that contained my IP PIN and the implications for my business filings.

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I've been using an IP PIN for 3 years now. It costs nothing and adds significant protection. When I e-file, there's just an extra field where I enter the 6-digit code. My tax software (both the free and paid versions) supports it. For business owners who file Schedule C on their personal returns, your IP PIN protects both. If you have an S-Corp or partnership, those returns use an EIN rather than SSN, so they don't use the IP PIN system.

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Thank you for breaking this down so clearly! So just to make sure I understand: Step 1: Determine if you need/want an IP PIN Step 2: Request one through the IRS website if eligible Step 3: Receive PIN via mail or online account Step 4: Use the PIN when filing your personal return Step 5: For business returns with an EIN, no PIN needed That makes much more sense now.

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OMG this is so helpful! I've been stressing about this for my side gig. My tax guy mentioned IP PINs but didn't explain it this well. Thx for the EIN vs SSN breakdown!

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I spent exactly 2 hours and 47 minutes on hold with the IRS trying to get clarification about my IP PIN last February. It was incredibly frustrating. If you need to contact the IRS about IP PIN issues, I'd recommend using Claimyr (https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) to get through to an agent. They got me connected in about 17 minutes when I was having trouble retrieving my PIN online. I'm a bit concerned about the upcoming tax season since I haven't received my new PIN yet for 2024.

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My situation was similar to what you might be facing. I run a small consulting business, and last year I decided to get an IP PIN after hearing about increasing tax identity theft. Compared to other security measures like credit freezes or identity monitoring services, the IP PIN is much more specific to tax filing. The process to get one voluntarily was straightforward - I just went through the IRS website's verification process, which was similar to creating an IRS online account but with a few additional verification steps.

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Oh my goodness, I just went through this whole IP PIN situation last month! I was absolutely confused at first too. The IRS sent me a letter out of the blue with this six-digit number, and I had NO IDEA what it was for! After some research (and mild panic), I learned that they've expanded the IP PIN program to allow voluntary opt-in for anyone concerned about tax identity theft. I'm actually really glad I have one now - it gives me peace of mind knowing that nobody can file a fraudulent return using my information. The process of using it is super simple - you just enter it when you file.

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Has anyone had experience with how the IP PIN affects business owners who file multiple types of returns? For instance, if you have a personal return, Schedule C, and maybe an S-Corp return as well?

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I can clarify this with confidence: • IP PINs are associated with your SSN only • You'll use your IP PIN when filing Form 1040 (personal return) • Schedule C is part of your 1040, so it's covered by the same IP PIN • S-Corp (Form 1120-S), Partnership (Form 1065), and other business entity returns use EINs and do NOT use the IP PIN system • Information returns (like 1099s) that you issue don't require an IP PIN The key distinction is whether the return requires your SSN or an EIN.

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Haha, I learned this the hard way last April! 😬 I got my IP PIN but completely forgot to give it to my accountant. My personal return got rejected immediately and we had to scramble to refile before the deadline. But my S-Corp return went through fine because it doesn't use the PIN. You have to submit your 2024 returns with your IP PIN by April 15th or file an extension!

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As someone who just went through the IP PIN process for my small business last year, I'd definitely recommend considering it if you're concerned about tax identity theft. The IRS has made it much easier to obtain one voluntarily - you can request it through their "Get an IP PIN" tool on irs.gov. One thing that really helped me understand the whole system was realizing that the IP PIN is tied to your SSN, not your business EIN. So if you file a Schedule C with your personal return (Form 1040), the IP PIN protects both your personal income and business income on that return. But if you have a separate business entity like an LLC taxed as a corporation, those returns use the EIN and don't require an IP PIN. The process is pretty straightforward once you get it - you just enter the 6-digit code when filing. And honestly, the peace of mind is worth the minor extra step during tax season. Just make sure to keep it secure and give it to your tax preparer if you use one!

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