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Layla Mendes

What happens when my income is less than my total deductions? Can I wipe out my tax bill?

So I'm trying to figure out my taxes this year and I'm a bit confused. Let's say I made about $40k this year and I'd normally owe around $13k in taxes. But what if my total deductions (including my IRA contributions and other stuff) add up to more than $13k? Does that mean I don't have to pay anything at all? Or am I misunderstanding how deductions work with taxes? I'm trying to maximize my retirement contributions and other deductions but want to make sure I understand how this all works together. Thanks for any help!

I think there might be some confusion about how deductions work! Deductions reduce your taxable income, not your tax bill directly. When you have $40k income and claim deductions (like IRA contributions, standard deduction, etc.), those reduce the amount of income that gets taxed - not the tax itself. For example, if you have $40k income and $15k in total deductions, your taxable income becomes $25k. Then you calculate tax on that $25k amount. What you're thinking of are tax credits, which reduce your tax bill dollar-for-dollar. So a $1,000 tax credit would directly reduce your tax owed by $1,000. Also worth noting that if your deductions exceeded your income (which is pretty rare outside of certain business situations), you'd have zero taxable income, but you wouldn't get "money back" beyond what was withheld from your paychecks.

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Aria Park

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Wait, so if someone has a lot of deductions like mortgage interest, student loan interest, and maxes out their traditional IRA, they could potentially reduce their taxable income to zero? And would that mean they'd get all their withholding back as a refund?

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It's theoretically possible to reduce taxable income to zero with enough deductions, but it's uncommon for typical W-2 employees. The standard deduction for 2025 is projected to be around $13,850 for single filers or $27,700 for married filing jointly. So you'd need itemized deductions exceeding those amounts plus any other above-the-line deductions like traditional IRA contributions (which have annual limits). If you did manage to reduce your taxable income to zero, then yes - you'd get back all federal income tax that was withheld. However, keep in mind you'd still be responsible for payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare) which aren't affected by these deductions.

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Just to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the difference between "above-the-line" deductions and "below-the-line" deductions! Things like traditional IRA contributions, student loan interest, and HSA contributions are above-the-line, meaning they reduce your AGI (adjusted gross income). Below-the-line deductions are either your standard deduction or itemized deductions like mortgage interest, state taxes paid, etc. You need enough itemized deductions to exceed your standard deduction for itemizing to make sense. This matters because some tax benefits phase out based on your AGI, so above-the-line deductions can sometimes be more valuable.

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Drake

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Could you explain more about these phase-outs? I've heard the term but don't really understand how it works or which tax benefits get phased out.

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Phase-outs are income thresholds where tax benefits start to reduce or disappear as your income increases. For example, the ability to contribute to a Roth IRA starts phasing out when your Modified AGI hits certain levels (around $146,000 for single filers in 2025). Other common phase-outs affect education credits, the Earned Income Credit, and the Child Tax Credit. For instance, the American Opportunity Credit starts phasing out at $80,000 MAGI for single filers. This is why above-the-line deductions can be so valuable - by reducing your AGI, you might keep yourself eligible for credits that would otherwise be reduced or eliminated.

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Sarah Jones

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Isn't there some special case where if you have a lot of business expenses as a self-employed person, you can actually have negative income? And then that loss can offset other income? My brother-in-law talks about this but I never understood it.

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Yes, that's called a net operating loss (NOL). If your business expenses exceed your business income, you have a net loss that can offset other income sources in the same tax year. If the loss is bigger than all your income combined, you may be able to carry it backward or forward to other tax years. This is completely different from the original question though. The OP is asking about deductions offsetting tax directly, which isn't how it works. Business losses offsetting income is a separate concept.

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Malik Jenkins

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I see there's been some great discussion about the difference between deductions and credits! Just want to add one more important point that might help clarify things for anyone still confused. When you say you "normally owe around $13k in taxes" on $40k income, that seems quite high. For 2024, someone with $40k in income would typically owe much less than that in federal income tax after the standard deduction. Are you perhaps including estimated tax payments you need to make as a self-employed person, or are you thinking about total tax liability before withholding? This distinction matters because if you're talking about quarterly estimated payments, those include both income tax AND self-employment tax (Social Security/Medicare). Deductions can reduce the income tax portion, but they don't eliminate self-employment tax on earnings from self-employment. If you're a regular W-2 employee, your actual federal income tax on $40k (after standard deduction) would be much lower than $13k, so maximizing deductions could indeed get you close to zero federal income tax owed - though as others mentioned, you'd still have payroll taxes that were already withheld from your paychecks.

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This is a really important clarification! I think there might be some confusion in the original post about what that $13k figure represents. As someone new to understanding taxes, I was also wondering how someone with $40k income could owe $13k in federal taxes - that would be like a 32% effective tax rate which seems way too high for that income level. @Layla Mendes - could you clarify what that $13k represents? Is this including self-employment tax, or are you maybe looking at your total tax liability before any withholdings? This would really help us give you more accurate advice about how deductions would affect your specific situation. Also, Malik s'point about self-employment tax is crucial - if you re'self-employed, deductions won t'reduce that 15.3% SE tax on your net earnings, only the income tax portion.

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CyberSiren

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I think everyone's covered the basics really well, but let me add a practical example that might help visualize this better. Let's say you have that $40k income. After the standard deduction (~$14,600 for 2024), your taxable income would be about $25,400. The federal income tax on that would be roughly $2,740 - nowhere near the $13k you mentioned. If you then contribute $6,000 to a traditional IRA (above-the-line deduction), your AGI drops to $34k, and your taxable income becomes $19,400. Your federal income tax would then be about $1,940. So that $6k IRA contribution saved you roughly $800 in taxes, not $6k. The key insight is that deductions save you money at your marginal tax rate (probably 12% in your case), not dollar-for-dollar. A $1,000 deduction saves you about $120 in taxes if you're in the 12% bracket. This is why it's worth double-checking what that $13k figure represents in your situation - it might include other taxes or be calculated differently than you think!

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Luca Conti

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This breakdown is super helpful! I'm still pretty new to understanding taxes and the math here really makes it click. So if I'm understanding correctly, when people talk about "tax savings" from deductions, they mean the amount of tax you don't have to pay, not that you get that full deduction amount back as cash? Like in your example, the $6k IRA contribution doesn't mean $6k less in taxes owed - it means about $800 less because that's 12% of the $6k deduction. Is that right? And I'm guessing this is why tax professionals always talk about your "marginal tax rate" - because that's the percentage you actually save when you add deductions?

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