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Sean Matthews

First time tax filer confused about tax brackets vs actual withholding percentages

So I've been looking at the IRS website trying to understand how tax brackets work. According to their chart for single filers, I made about $43k this year on my W2, which should put me in the 12% bracket since I didn't hit the 22% threshold. From what I understand, I should be taxed at 12% for all income above $11k. What's confusing me is that when I look at my paychecks, my state + federal tax withholding combined is around 22% of my gross pay on every single check. I'm a single filer with 0 dependents (and that doesn't change when I file taxes). Last year my tax refund was only about $1300, which doesn't seem to cover the difference between what I thought I should be paying (12%) versus what's being taken out (22%). This is especially weird since I also deduct my out-of-pocket education expenses, which are about $3800 per semester and a bit more for summer classes. Am I missing something here? Should I not be including state tax when I'm trying to figure out my tax percentage? I'm completely new to understanding taxes and would appreciate any help explaining what's going on! Edit: Thanks everyone for explaining! Looks like everything is working as it should with my withholdings.

You're mixing up a few concepts that are confusing you. The tax brackets you're seeing on the IRS website are for federal income tax only - they don't include state taxes, FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare), or other deductions. Here's a breakdown of what's typically taken from your paycheck: - Federal income tax (the brackets you're looking at) - State income tax (varies by state, usually 3-6%) - Social Security tax (6.2% of your income up to a certain limit) - Medicare tax (1.45% of your income) So when you add those up, 22% total withholding actually sounds about right. Your federal portion is probably around 9-10% (not the full 12% rate because of how progressive taxation works), then add 4-6% for state and 7.65% for FICA, and you're right around 22%. The education expenses you mentioned would be claimed on your tax return, not reflected in your regular paycheck withholdings. They reduce your tax liability when you file, which is why you got that $1300 refund.

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So wait - are you saying that the 12% bracket doesn't mean I pay exactly 12% in federal taxes on my income above $11k? I always thought the percentage in the bracket was exactly what you paid.

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You're right that you pay 12% on income in that bracket, but it's applied progressively. For single filers in 2023, you paid 10% on the first $11,000 of taxable income (after standard deduction), then 12% on income from $11,001 up to $44,725. This means your effective federal tax rate is lower than 12% because part of your income was taxed at 10% and part at 12%. That's why your federal withholding might be closer to 9-10% of your gross pay, not the full 12%. Then when you add state tax (typically 4-6% depending on where you live) and FICA taxes (7.65% for Social Security and Medicare combined), your total withholding percentage adds up to around 22%.

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Does the tool actually tell you how to adjust your withholding to get less taken out each paycheck? I hate getting a big refund because that's just an interest-free loan to the government.

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Something no one's mentioned yet - check your pay stub to see if you have other deductions that might be making your take-home pay less than you expect. Some common ones: - Health insurance - 401k contributions - HSA contributions - Dental/vision insurance - Life insurance - Disability insurance These aren't taxes but they reduce your take-home pay. When I first started working I was confused why my paycheck was smaller than I expected until I realized I was paying for benefits I didn't even know I had signed up for!

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I did check that actually! I have health insurance through my job that takes about $85 per paycheck, and I'm contributing 4% to my 401k. But I was specifically looking at just the tax withholding line items when I calculated the 22%. Good thought though!

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Ah, gotcha. Then yeah, it sounds like what others have said is right - the 22% is a combination of federal income tax, state income tax, and FICA taxes. The tax bracket percentages on the IRS site are just for federal income tax, which is only a portion of your total tax burden. Just to break it down for clarity, on your ~$43k income: - Federal income tax: probably around 9-10% effective rate - State income tax: around 4-5% depending on your state - Social Security: 6.2% - Medicare: 1.45% That adds up to about 21-23% total for taxes, which matches what you're seeing on your paystubs.

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Everyone keeps mentioning these tax brackets but I think what you're missing is that you don't pay the bracket percentage on your whole income. For example, in 2024, a single filer: - Pays 10% on the first $11,600 - Pays 12% on income between $11,600 and $47,150 - Pays 22% on income between $47,150 and $100,525 So if you make $43k, you're paying 10% on the first $11,600 ($1,160) and then 12% on the remaining $31,400 ($3,768) for a total federal tax of about $4,928. That's only about 11.5% of your total income in federal taxes. Then add the 7.65% for FICA and your state tax rate, and you get to around 22-23%.

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You're forgetting the standard deduction though. In 2023 it was $13,850 for single filers, so you don't pay any federal income tax on that amount. So someone making $43k would only pay taxes on $29,150 of income, which would be $3,306 in federal tax (about 7.7% effective rate).

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You're absolutely right, I forgot about the standard deduction! That makes the effective federal tax rate even lower, which explains why the withholding seems high compared to the tax bracket. With the standard deduction, someone making $43k would have a taxable income of about $29k. That would be $1,100 (10% of the first $11k) plus about $2,160 (12% of the remaining $18k) for a total of about $3,260 in federal tax. That's only about 7.6% of their gross income. Add 7.65% for FICA and about 5% for state (varies widely), and you get to around 20-21% total, which lines up with what the original poster is seeing on their paychecks.

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