Should I have zero federal tax withholdings with 3 kids under 12?
I'm really confused about my withholdings right now. I recently filled out a new W-4 for my job after not touching it for like 5-6 years, so it was the updated form version. My situation is that I'm married filing jointly with three young kids who will all still be under 12 by the end of this year. For reference, my AGI last year was around $93,500. To make sure I was doing it right, I went directly to the IRS website and used their W-4 calculator. I entered all my info including the three kids, uploaded my current pay stubs, and followed all the steps. Here's what's freaking me out - the calculator said I should have ZERO federal taxes withheld from my paychecks! I understand the concept is probably that I'll get up to $6,000 for the child tax credit, but it just feels wrong to not have any federal tax being taken out at all. Last year our refund was about $5k, and while I don't want another huge refund (that's why I'm redoing this), having absolutely nothing withheld seems extreme. Can someone explain if having no federal tax withheld in my situation actually makes sense? Am I missing something here?
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Noah huntAce420
This actually makes perfect sense with your family situation! The Child Tax Credit is currently $2,000 per qualifying child under 17, so with three kids, that's $6,000 right there that directly reduces your tax liability (not just your taxable income). When you're married filing jointly with three young children and earning around $93,500, your standard deduction in 2025 will be approximately $29,200, which reduces your taxable income to about $64,300. The tax on this amount for married filing jointly would be roughly $7,300. Your Child Tax Credits of $6,000 would reduce this tax liability to only about $1,300. Many people also qualify for other credits like the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you pay for childcare. These additional credits could potentially reduce your liability to zero or even result in a refundable amount.
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Ana Rusula
•This makes so much sense! I have a similar situation but with only 2 kids. If I were to do this zero withholding approach, would I need to worry about underpayment penalties? Like is there some minimum I should withhold just to be safe?
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Noah huntAce420
•You generally won't face underpayment penalties as long as you meet one of the safe harbor rules. The simplest one is if your withholding equals at least 90% of your current year tax liability or 100% of your prior year tax liability (110% if your AGI was over $150,000). If you're concerned, you could have a small amount withheld just to be safe, maybe $50-100 per paycheck. This would build in a buffer while still not overwithholding like you were before. It's always better to adjust your W-4 again if your situation changes during the year.
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Fidel Carson
Hey guys, I went through EXACTLY the same freak-out moment last year! I have 2 kids and the IRS calculator told me to set withholding to $0. I was terrified but decided to try it out for a few months. I found this amazing tool at https://taxr.ai that let me upload my paystubs and run different withholding scenarios. It confirmed the IRS calculator was right - with multiple kids under 12, your tax credits often completely offset your tax liability at your income level. The tool even showed me how much I was essentially "loaning" to the government interest-free with my previous withholding. I ended up adjusting to have just $75 withheld per check as a safety buffer, and at tax time I still got a small refund of about $800.
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Isaiah Sanders
•How does taxr.ai actually work? I'm interested but skeptical of giving my pay information to some random website. Does it just do calculations or does it actually help with filing too?
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Xan Dae
•Does it also work for more complicated situations? I've got rental income and some 1099 work on top of my W-2 job, and my wife works part-time. Every calculator I've tried gives me weird results that don't seem right.
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Fidel Carson
•It works by analyzing your pay documents and tax situation the same way a professional would, but with AI that can spot patterns and optimize withholding. They use bank-level encryption for all uploads, and you can delete your data anytime - I was cautious too but checked their security policies first. The platform handles really complex situations much better than basic calculators. It actually specializes in complicated scenarios with multiple income streams. For your situation with rental income, 1099 work and your wife's part-time income, it would create a holistic picture and calculate the optimal withholding across all sources.
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Isaiah Sanders
Just wanted to follow up - I actually tried taxr.ai after posting my skeptical comment! Uploaded my last few paystubs and last year's return and it was eye-opening. Turns out I've been massively overwithholding (like $230 per paycheck too much) even with just one kid. I especially liked how it showed different scenarios side by side, like "if you want a $1000 refund, withhold X" vs "if you want to maximize monthly take-home pay, withhold Y." Made the whole decision much less stressful. Already adjusted my W-4 at work and seeing bigger paychecks now!
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Fiona Gallagher
It's not just about the calculator results - it's about whether you can actually reach someone at the IRS if something goes wrong! I reduced my withholding based on their calculator too, but then had a tax issue when filing. Tried calling the IRS for WEEKS with no luck - constant busy signals or "call volume too high" messages. Finally used https://claimyr.com to get through to an actual human at the IRS. There's a demo video at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c showing how it works. They basically keep dialing for you until they get through, then call you to connect. Saved me hours of frustration! The agent confirmed my withholding was correct and helped resolve my specific questions about the Child Tax Credit and how it affected my overall tax situation.
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Thais Soares
•How does this actually work? Seems too good to be true considering I spent 3 hours on hold last tax season only to get disconnected right when I was about to speak to someone.
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Nalani Liu
•This sounds like a scam. Why would I pay a service to call the IRS when I can just keep trying myself? Or use a tax professional? And how do you know they're not recording your personal tax info during these calls?
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Fiona Gallagher
•It works by using technology that continuously dials the IRS using multiple lines until they get through. When a connection is made, they immediately call you and conference you in. I was connected to an IRS agent within 45 minutes of signing up, and I didn't have to sit by my phone the whole time. I understand the skepticism, but consider the value of your time. I spent nearly 8 hours across multiple days trying to call myself before trying this. They don't stay on the call with you - they connect you directly with the IRS and drop off, so they never hear your personal tax information. It's just a connection service, not tax advice or representation.
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Nalani Liu
Update: I'm eating my words about Claimyr. After another week of failing to reach the IRS myself (and tax deadline approaching), I broke down and tried it. Got connected to an IRS agent in about 30 minutes without having to sit on hold! The agent confirmed what others here said - with three kids under 12 and income around $90k, having very low or zero withholding can be completely correct. She explained that the Child Tax Credit is specifically designed to offset tax liability for families like mine, and I was essentially giving the government an interest-free loan by overwithholding. Still adjusting to the idea of seeing bigger paychecks now instead of a refund later, but the math checks out. And being able to actually talk to someone official definitely gave me peace of mind.
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Axel Bourke
Don't forget about state taxes!!! Even if your federal withholding might be zero, you probably still need state withholding. The IRS calculator only figures out federal taxes. Just wanna make sure ur not caught by surprise when April comes around.
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Dananyl Lear
•Omg thank you for mentioning this! I was so focused on the federal part that I completely forgot about state taxes. I'll definitely make sure to keep my state withholding going. Do you know if there's a similar calculator for state taxes, or should I just estimate?
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Axel Bourke
•Most states don't have good calculators like the IRS one. I usually just take my state tax from last year and divide by the number of paychecks I get. So if you paid $2400 in state taxes last year and get paid twice a month, that's about $100 per paycheck. If your income is about the same as last year, that should get you close enough. Some states have their own W-4 forms or equivalents too, so check your state's tax department website.
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Aidan Percy
Slightly different take - I was in almost your exact situation (3 kids, similar income) and did the zero withholding thing based on the IRS calculator. It was mathematically correct BUT it gave me serious anxiety all year knowing I wasn't "saving" for my tax bill. I ended up changing it back to a small withholding ($75/check) just for the peace of mind. If you're disciplined, you could take the extra money each check and put it in a high-yield savings account, then you'd actually earn interest on it instead of giving the government an interest-free loan. But honestly, sometimes the psychological comfort of knowing your taxes are "handled" is worth more than the small amount of interest.
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Fernanda Marquez
•This is really good advice. I tried the zero withholding approach and while financially optimal, the stress wasn't worth it. I started having nightmares about owing thousands come tax time despite all the math checking out! Now I withhold just enough to cover my expected liability and sleep better.
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Aidan Percy
•That's exactly it - the math says one thing but our emotions say another! Personal finance isn't just about the numbers. For me, the slight inefficiency of having a little bit withheld is worth the peace of mind. Ultimately we have to find the balance that works for our own psychology. Some people are comfortable cutting it close because they trust the math, while others like us prefer a small buffer even if it's not the absolute most efficient approach.
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Javier Hernandez
I'm in a very similar boat - married with 2 kids under 10 and around $85k income. Just went through this exact same process and had the same "this can't be right" moment when the IRS calculator suggested minimal withholding! What helped me understand it was breaking down the actual numbers: with the standard deduction of ~$29k for married filing jointly, my taxable income drops significantly. Then the $4k in Child Tax Credits (2 kids x $2k each) essentially wipes out most of my remaining tax liability. I ended up compromising and setting my withholding to about $50 per paycheck - not because the math required it, but because I wanted a small safety net in case anything changed during the year (like if one of us picked up some freelance work or we had unexpected investment gains). The psychological peace of mind was worth the tiny bit of "inefficiency." You could always try the zero withholding for a few months and see how it feels, then adjust if needed. The beauty of the W-4 is you can change it anytime!
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
•This is such a helpful perspective! I think the compromise approach you took makes a lot of sense. I'm definitely leaning toward doing something similar - maybe $50-75 per paycheck just to have that buffer you mentioned. The point about being able to adjust the W-4 anytime is really reassuring too. I was thinking of it as this permanent decision, but you're right that I could try the minimal withholding approach for a few months and see how it feels. If I get too anxious about it or our situation changes, I can always bump it up. Thanks for sharing your actual numbers breakdown - it really helps to see someone in almost the exact same situation work through the math!
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KhalilStar
The IRS calculator is actually quite reliable for situations like yours! I had the same shock when it told me to withhold almost nothing with my 2 kids. What really helped me understand was realizing that the Child Tax Credit isn't just a deduction - it's a direct dollar-for-dollar reduction of your actual tax owed. With your $93,500 AGI and married filing jointly, after the standard deduction (~$29,200), you're looking at taxable income of around $64,300. The federal tax on that is roughly $7,300. But then your three kids give you $6,000 in Child Tax Credits, bringing your actual tax liability down to only about $1,300 for the entire year. If you're getting paid bi-weekly (26 paychecks), that's only $50 per paycheck you'd actually owe! So having zero withheld isn't crazy at all - you might even qualify for additional credits that could reduce it further. That said, I totally get the anxiety. I ended up withholding about $25 per paycheck just for peace of mind, even though the math said I didn't need to. Sometimes the psychological comfort is worth more than being mathematically perfect!
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Isabella Ferreira
•This breakdown is incredibly helpful! I've been stressing about this exact situation and your explanation of how the Child Tax Credit works as a direct reduction really clicked for me. I have 3 kids too and was getting similar results from the IRS calculator but couldn't wrap my head around it. The math you laid out makes perfect sense - $7,300 in tax liability minus $6,000 in credits leaving only about $1,300 for the whole year. That's such a small amount when spread across all those paychecks! I think I'm going to follow your approach and withhold maybe $30-40 per paycheck just to have that small buffer. It's still way less than what I was doing before (which was probably thousands too much), but gives me that peace of mind you mentioned. Thanks for taking the time to break down the actual numbers - it really helps to see someone else work through the same scenario!
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Amina Diop
I totally understand the shock! I went through this exact same thing last year with my 2 kids. The IRS calculator told me to withhold almost nothing and I was convinced it had to be wrong. What really helped me was understanding that the Child Tax Credit is refundable up to $1,600 per child if your tax liability is less than the full credit amount. So even if your actual tax owed ends up being zero, you could still get money back! I'd suggest doing a quick sanity check by looking at your prior year tax return. Look at line 24 (total tax) and compare it to your total credits. If your credits were close to or exceeded your tax liability, then zero withholding probably makes perfect sense. One thing to keep in mind though - make sure you're not missing any income sources. If you or your spouse have any side gigs, investment income, or other taxable income beyond your W-2, that could change the calculation significantly. I ended up going with about $40 per paycheck just to be safe, but honestly the IRS calculator has been spot-on for my situation. Trust the math, but don't feel bad about keeping a small buffer if it helps you sleep better at night!
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Cassandra Moon
•This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same thing! I like your suggestion about checking my prior year return - I'm going to pull that out tonight and look at line 24 compared to my credits. That should give me a good reality check on whether the calculator results make sense. You're absolutely right about double-checking other income sources. We don't have any side gigs or significant investment income, just our regular W-2 jobs, so I think we should be in the clear there. But it's definitely something I'll keep in mind if our situation changes. I'm feeling much more confident about this after reading everyone's responses. I think I'll go with a similar approach to yours - maybe $40-50 per paycheck just to have that small safety net. It's still such a huge difference from what I was doing before (probably overwithholding by hundreds each month), but gives me that peace of mind while I adjust to this new reality. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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