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Olivia Garcia

Why am I getting such a massive tax refund? Is the IRS estimator accurate?

I'm a bit confused about why I'm getting such huge refunds. Last year I received around $16,000 back, but I figured that was because we welcomed our third child in mid-2022, plus my wife's premium tax credit from her marketplace insurance, and the enhanced child tax credit. But here's what's weird - I ran some tax estimates for this year, and it's still showing I should expect about $7,800 back! I checked with HR and they confirmed I have 3 allowances on my W4. Honestly, I'd rather have that money spread throughout the year in my paychecks instead of giving the government an interest-free loan. Does anyone know why this keeps happening and how I can fix it? For context, my federal withholding for the whole year was only $3,125. Some relevant info: I make about $73,000 in Florida. I have three young kids (ages 5, 3, and 1), and my wife is a stay-at-home mom. When I used the IRS's W4 estimator website, things got even weirder - it predicted a refund of around $14,500! That seems ridiculous, but here's what I entered: - Salary job, full year, monthly pay schedule - Latest paystub (12/31/23): wages $5,875, YTD salary $72,950 (for some reason it calculated my income as $143,000 so I had to manually fix it to $72,950) - Federal taxes: $245 per paycheck, $3,125 YTD - 401k: $175 per month, $2,270 YTD - Health insurance: $330 per paycheck ($3,960 YTD) for me, plus my wife pays $135 monthly for marketplace insurance ($1,620 YTD) - Taking standard deduction, no adjustments - 3 children for child tax credit - 3 children for EITC I even tried resetting all YTD values to zero since we're in 2024 now, but I'm still getting an estimated $10,700 back according to the IRS calculator. What am I missing here?

The big refund is likely due to several factors working together. With your income level (~$73k) and three qualifying children, you're in the sweet spot for maximum EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) benefits while still qualifying for the full Child Tax Credit for each child. The EITC is particularly generous for families with three or more children, and since your wife doesn't work, your household income stays in the optimal range for this credit. The Child Tax Credit is currently $2,000 per qualifying child, which adds up to $6,000 for your three kids. These credits are refundable, meaning you can receive them even if they exceed your tax liability. Your withholding seems quite low at $3,125 for the year on a $73,000 salary, but if your actual tax liability after credits is near zero or negative (due to refundable credits), that's why you're seeing such large refunds. To fix this, you should complete a new W-4 form. The redesigned W-4 no longer uses allowances but instead asks for more specific information. You can request additional withholding be taken out each paycheck by specifying a dollar amount in Step 4(c) of the W-4. Start with something like $50-100 less than your expected refund divided by your number of pay periods.

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Thank you for explaining! I had no idea the EITC was that significant for our situation. I honestly thought I was doing something wrong or the calculator was broken. So if I'm understanding correctly, between the Child Tax Credits and EITC, we're essentially "negative" on our tax liability, which is why we keep getting these big refunds? And the W-4 allowances system can't really account for this properly?

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Yes, you've got it exactly right. With three qualifying children, your combination of Child Tax Credits and EITC is creating a situation where your tax liability is likely negative, meaning the government owes you money regardless of what you've had withheld. The W-4 system was redesigned in 2020 to better handle these situations. The old allowances system couldn't effectively account for refundable credits like the EITC. With the new W-4, you can specify additional withholding to be taken from each paycheck. I'd recommend completing a new W-4 and experimenting with the additional withholding amount in Step 4(c) until you find a balance that works for you.

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This might sound counterintuitive, but have you considered just adjusting your withholding by claiming "EXEMPT" on your W-4? With your income level (~$73k) and three kids, your actual federal tax liability might be close to zero after all credits and deductions. I was in a similar situation (family of 5, $68k income) and after consulting with a tax professional, I switched to exempt status. I still get a refund because of the refundable portion of the child tax credit and EITC, but it's much smaller (around $3k instead of $12k), and I get to keep about $220 more per paycheck. Just make sure you won't owe any additional income this year that might create a tax liability (like investment income, freelance work, etc.). You don't want to end up owing a big bill next April.

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Wouldn't claiming "EXEMPT" be risky? I'm worried about potentially owing taxes at the end of the year. I'd rather get a smaller refund than owe money I haven't budgeted for. Also, I do have a small amount of dividend income from investments (around $800/year) and occasionally make a few hundred dollars selling items online. Would that make the "EXEMPT" status inappropriate for my situation?

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You're right to be cautious. Claiming "EXEMPT" would be risky in your specific situation because of that additional income. Even though it's small, that $800 in dividends plus occasional online sales income could push you over the edge into owing taxes. A better approach would be to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator again, but make sure to include ALL sources of income. Then adjust your W-4 to have a specific additional amount withheld in Step 4(c) that gives you a very small refund as a buffer (maybe $500). This way you're not loaning the government a huge amount, but you also have protection against owing. Even with EITC and child tax credits, those extra income sources could create some tax liability.

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Has anyone considered that the IRS calculator might actually be wrong? I'm an accountant (not a CPA) and I've seen the IRS calculator give wildly inaccurate estimates, especially for families with children who qualify for EITC. A few things to check: - Make sure you're calculating your annual income correctly. If you're paid monthly, multiply your gross pay by 12, not by the number of paychecks you've received YTD. - Double check that you're entering withholding correctly. Sometimes people enter their YTD withholding as if it's per-paycheck. - The calculator might be incorrectly applying tax credits. For your situation, with $73k income, 3 kids, and a stay-at-home spouse, your actual federal tax liability should be close to zero after standard deduction and child tax credits. Add in EITC and you're likely looking at a refund regardless of withholding. Try using a different calculator like TaxCaster by Intuit or H&R Block's tax calculator to compare results.

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Can confirm the IRS calculator is often wrong for EITC situations. I've worked as a VITA volunteer and we see this all the time. The IRS calculator doesn't handle EITC well, especially with multiple children. For the OP: With your income around $73k and three qualifying children, you're definitely in the EITC range. The max EITC for three kids is substantial (around $7k), and that's completely refundable. Add the Child Tax Credit on top of that, and you're looking at a big refund regardless of withholding.

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As someone who went through this exact same situation, I can tell you that your large refunds are completely normal given your circumstances. With three children and a $73k income, you're hitting the sweet spot for both maximum EITC and full Child Tax Credits. Here's what's happening: Your actual federal tax liability is probably close to zero after the standard deduction ($27,700 for married filing jointly). Then you get $6,000 in Child Tax Credits ($2,000 per child) and likely around $6,500+ in EITC. These are refundable credits, meaning you get them back even if your tax liability is zero. The reason the IRS calculator seems "broken" is that it's trying to account for these refundable credits, but the interface isn't great at explaining why you're getting such large refunds. To fix your withholding: Complete a new W-4 using the current 2024 version (not the old allowances system). In Step 4(c), add extra withholding per paycheck. If you want to reduce your refund by about $6,000, divide that by your number of pay periods - so if you're paid monthly, add about $500 extra withholding per month. Just remember that even with adjusted withholding, you'll still get a substantial refund due to those refundable credits. The goal is just to minimize the "interest-free loan" portion.

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