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Aurora Lacasse

What happens to the profit not taxed when using a Section 179 deduction?

So I've been trying to figure out the best approach for our small bakery business this year. We just purchased a new commercial oven for $29,500 and I'm considering using Section 179 to deduct the whole thing. But I'm confused about what actually happens to that portion of my profit that I'm not paying taxes on because of the deduction. If our business profit was $85,000 before any deductions, and I use Section 179 to deduct the full $29,500 for the oven, does that mean my taxable income drops to $55,500? And if so, what happens to that $29,500 in the bigger picture? Does it still show somewhere on my books or tax forms? My accountant tried explaining but I'm still not clear about where that money "goes" from a tax perspective. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I really want to understand the mechanics behind this before making any decisions.

Anthony Young

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You've got the basic idea right! When you use a Section 179 deduction, you're essentially accelerating the depreciation of that asset into a single year instead of spreading it out over several years. Here's what happens: Your taxable income does indeed drop from $85,000 to $55,500. That $29,500 doesn't "go" anywhere in a physical sense - it's still part of your business profit. What's happening is that the IRS is allowing you to subtract the full purchase cost from your income before calculating taxes. On your tax forms, this will show up on Form 4562 (Depreciation and Amortization) where you'll list the property and claim the Section 179 deduction. This form then feeds into your Schedule C or business tax return, reducing your taxable income. The money itself remains in your business - you can distribute it, reinvest it, or save it. The Section 179 deduction just means you won't pay taxes on that portion of your income this year.

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Thanks for explaining! So if I understand right, this basically lets me avoid taxes on the $29,500 portion completely, not just defer them to later years? And does using Section 179 affect my basis in the asset if I sell it later?

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Anthony Young

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The Section 179 deduction doesn't let you avoid taxes completely - it shifts when you get the tax benefit. Instead of taking small deductions over several years as the asset depreciates, you get the entire tax benefit upfront. Regarding your question about basis - yes, it absolutely affects your basis. When you take a Section 179 deduction, you reduce your basis in the asset by the amount of the deduction. So if you paid $29,500 for that oven and took a $29,500 Section 179 deduction, your adjusted basis becomes $0. This matters if you sell the oven later, as you'd potentially have to report the sale proceeds as ordinary income through what's called "Section 179 recapture.

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Admin_Masters

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Does it actually analyze your specific situation or is it just general guidance? I've tried other "AI tax help" sites that were basically just glorified FAQs.

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Ella Thompson

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I'm curious about this too. Does it handle all the recapture rules and potential implications if you sell the equipment before the end of its useful life? That's where things got complicated for me.

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Admin_Masters

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Ella Thompson

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Royal_GM_Mark

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Something else to consider with Section 179 that no one mentioned yet - you need to make sure your business actually has enough income to use the deduction in the first place. If your business shows a loss before the Section 179 deduction, you can't use it to further increase your loss. Also, remember that your state might treat Section 179 differently than the federal government! My state requires that I add back some of the federal Section 179 deduction and then deduct a smaller amount each year. Caught me by surprise my first time using it.

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Chris King

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If the business doesn't have enough income, can you carry forward the unused Section 179 amounts to future years? Or do you lose that deduction completely?

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Great question! You don't lose the deduction - any disallowed Section 179 deduction can be carried forward indefinitely until you can use it. So if your business doesn't have enough income this year, you can deduct it in future years when your income is higher. As for state treatment, it varies widely. In my state (California), they have a much lower Section 179 limit than federal and require the rest to be depreciated normally. Always check your specific state rules or talk to a local tax professional.

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Rachel Clark

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Another thing to consider - Section 179 is great for tax savings now, but remember that regular depreciation gives you the same total deduction over time. If you expect to be in a higher tax bracket in future years, it might actually be better to use regular depreciation to push some deductions into those higher-bracket years! I made this mistake with my consulting business a few years ago. Used Section 179 for everything when my income was relatively low, then when my income doubled two years later, I wished I had saved some of those deductions for when they would have saved me more in taxes.

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This is great advice! How do you decide which assets to use Section 179 on vs regular depreciation? Is there a rule of thumb?

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Rachel Clark

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I don't have a strict rule of thumb, but here's how I approach it now: For smaller purchases (under $10,000), I'll usually take Section 179 for the immediate benefit. For larger purchases, I look at my income projections for the next few years. If I expect my income to increase significantly or if I'm currently in a lower tax bracket than I expect to be in future years, I'll use regular depreciation. This spreads the tax benefit out to years when each dollar of deduction will save me more in taxes. It's also worth considering your cash flow needs. If you need tax savings now to reinvest in your business, Section 179 might make sense even if it's not mathematically optimal long-term. Tax planning is as much about your business strategy as it is about the technical details!

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