W4 form help - married filing jointly with dependent child and non-working spouse
Hey all, I'm totally lost trying to complete this new W4 form. My situation is I'm married with a 3 year old son, and we file our taxes jointly. My wife currently doesn't have any income since she's staying home with our kid. For reference, last year (2024) my gross pay was about $152,000 and I had roughly $19,500 withheld for federal taxes. My last paycheck was around $6,100 gross with about $810 taken out for federal taxes. I haven't updated my withholding since getting married, and it's still at 0. I'd prefer to have more money in my regular paychecks rather than getting a big tax refund (I usually end up with a refund around $10,500). I'm completely confused about what to put in these boxes on the new W4. Any guidance would be super appreciated! What steps should I take to adjust my withholding to get more in my paychecks and less in my refund?
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Santiago Martinez
The new W4 form can definitely be confusing! Since you're married with one child and your spouse doesn't work, here's what you should do: Step 1: Check "Married filing jointly" Step 2: Since you have one child under 17, this qualifies for the Child Tax Credit. But it sounds like you want less withheld, so you can skip this section if you don't want to claim the credit now (you'll still get it when you file). Step 3: If you do want to claim your child now, enter $2,000 here. Step 4: This is where you can make adjustments. - 4(a): Leave blank unless you have other income - 4(b): Leave blank unless you want EXTRA tax withheld - 4(c): This is where you can reduce withholding. Based on your income and filing status, you might consider putting around $350-400 per pay period here as a NEGATIVE number to reduce withholding The key to getting more in your paychecks is properly accounting for your filing status, child credit, and using line 4(c) to adjust the withholding down if needed.
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Samantha Johnson
•I'm confused about Step 4(c). You said to put a negative number, but the form doesn't allow negative numbers, right? Isn't 4(c) for ADDITIONAL withholding? How do you put less?
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Santiago Martinez
•You're absolutely right, and I apologize for the confusion. Line 4(c) is only for additional withholding, not for reducing it. The best way to reduce your withholding is to properly complete Step 2 if both spouses work (not applicable in your case), claim your dependent correctly in Step 3 by entering $2,000, and use the deductions worksheet for Step 4(b) to account for itemized deductions if you have them. Since your spouse doesn't work, simply completing the form accurately with your filing status as "Married Filing Jointly" and claiming your child should result in less withholding compared to your current situation.
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Nick Kravitz
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Hannah White
•Does it work for more complicated situations? I have rental income and some 1099 work on the side plus my W2 job.
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Michael Green
•Is it actually free or is this one of those things where they make you pay at the end? I've tried other calculators that were super unhelpful.
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Nick Kravitz
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Michael Green
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Mateo Silva
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Victoria Jones
•Wait how does this work? The IRS never answers their phone. I've tried calling like 6 times about my amended return and always get the "call back later" message.
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Cameron Black
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Mateo Silva
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Cameron Black
I have to eat crow and follow up on my skeptical comment. After another failed attempt to reach the IRS on my own (2+ hours on hold before being disconnected), I decided to try Claimyr out of desperation. It actually worked exactly as described. Their system held my place in line, and about 20 minutes later I got a call connecting me directly to an IRS rep. The agent helped me understand exactly what I needed to do with my W4 given my spouse's variable income. For what it's worth, the IRS agent told me that for married couples where one spouse doesn't work, simply selecting "Married Filing Jointly" and claiming your dependent(s) in Step 3 will generally result in the correct withholding. In my case, I was having too much withheld because I still had my W4 set as "Single" from before I was married.
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Jessica Nguyen
One thing no one's mentioned - if you're married with a non-working spouse, check the box in Step 2(c) that says "If there are only two jobs total, you may check this box." That's designed for couples where both work, but in your case having it unchecked might be causing too much withholding. Also, the new W4 doesn't use allowances anymore (the "0" you mentioned), so your old settings might not have transferred properly when your company updated their payroll system.
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Isaiah Thompson
•That's actually wrong advice. Step 2(c) is ONLY if both spouses work or if you have multiple jobs. If his spouse doesn't work, checking that box would cause MORE tax to be withheld, not less. The problem is probably that he hasn't updated his W4 since getting married and having a kid.
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Jessica Nguyen
•You're right, I got that completely backwards. Step 2 is only if both spouses work or you have multiple jobs. Since OP's spouse doesn't work, they should leave Step 2 completely blank. The key for reducing withholding is to make sure Step 1 shows "Married Filing Jointly" and Step 3 includes their child tax credit amount ($2,000). That should significantly reduce withholding compared to an outdated W4.
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Ruby Garcia
Has anyone actually used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator? I found it super helpful for my situation (also married with non-working spouse). It asks detailed questions and at the end tells you exactly what to put on each line of the W4.
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Alexander Evans
•I tried using that but it wanted so much info from my past pay stubs and tax returns that I gave up halfway through. Plus it was confusing to navigate. Maybe I'm just dumb lol
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Liam O'Sullivan
I was in almost the exact same situation last year! Married filing jointly, one young kid, non-working spouse, and getting huge refunds that I wanted to reduce. Here's what worked for me on the new W4: **Step 1:** Select "Married filing jointly or Qualifying surviving spouse" **Step 2:** Leave this completely blank since your spouse doesn't work **Step 3:** Enter $2,000 for your child (this is the Child Tax Credit amount) **Step 4:** Leave (a) and (c) blank, but for (b) you might want to enter any itemized deductions you have (mortgage interest, charitable donations, etc.) to further reduce withholding The key thing is that your old "0 allowances" setting doesn't translate to the new form - it was probably causing way too much to be withheld. Just by updating to married status and claiming your child credit, you should see a significant reduction in withholding. I went from getting $8,000+ refunds to around $1,500, which put about $250 more in each paycheck. Submit a new W4 to HR and you should see the change in your next pay period!
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Ethan Clark
•This is super helpful! I'm in a really similar boat - married with a toddler and stay-at-home spouse, and I've been way overwithholding for years. Quick question though - when you say you went from $8,000+ refunds to $1,500, did you make any other changes besides updating the W4? I'm worried about underpaying and owing money at tax time. Also, did your HR department give you any trouble about updating your withholding mid-year?
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