How can I adjust my W4 form to get a bigger tax refund instead of owing?
I'm having trouble with my taxes since starting a new job. For the past two years, I've ended up owing around $3,000 each year instead of getting my usual refund. This was a total shock since I've always gotten money back before and used to file late because of it. I need advice on how to properly fill out my W4 form (especially Sections 3 and 4) so I can get a hefty refund of about $10,000-$15,000 at the end of the year instead of owing. Here's my situation: - Currently filing married/jointly (though I could file single if that helps) - My annual income is around $150,000 - I have 3 dependent children (all under 18) - We homeschool our kids (not sure if this matters for tax purposes) - No other sources of income Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! I'm trying to avoid another surprise tax bill next year.
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Mateo Martinez
While you can adjust your W4 to get a bigger refund, it's important to understand that a refund just means you overpaid throughout the year - it's your money being returned, not a bonus from the IRS. To increase your withholding (and therefore your refund), focus on Form W4 Sections 3 and 4. In Section 3, claim your children as dependents ($2,000 credit per qualifying child). In Section 4(a), don't report additional income. In Section 4(c), you can specify an additional amount to withhold from each paycheck. For a $12,000 refund, you'd need about $1,000 in extra withholding per month, so put about $460 per paycheck (assuming bi-weekly pay). Homeschooling doesn't typically provide additional federal tax benefits, though some states offer tax benefits for homeschooling expenses. Your filing status of married filing jointly is usually more advantageous than filing separately with your income level and having three dependents.
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QuantumQueen
•Thank you for this explanation! I have a follow-up question though. Is there any downside to having a larger amount withheld just to get a bigger refund? And will claiming my kids in Section 3 reduce my paycheck amount?
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Mateo Martinez
•The main downside to over-withholding is you're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan. That money could be in your savings account earning interest or paying down debt throughout the year instead of waiting for a refund. Claiming your children in Section 3 actually reduces your withholding (meaning less tax taken from each paycheck), which would result in a smaller refund, not larger. That's why you'd need to use Section 4(c) to request additional withholding to achieve your target refund amount.
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Aisha Rahman
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Ethan Wilson
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Yuki Sato
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Aisha Rahman
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Ethan Wilson
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Carmen Flores
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Zoe Alexopoulos
Just be careful about intentionally overwithholding too much. While it's perfectly legal to request additional withholding on your W4, the IRS doesn't like it when people use them as a forced savings account. In extreme cases, they may send your employer a "lock-in letter" that restricts your ability to adjust your withholding if they think you're having too much withheld. This usually happens when the withholding seems unreasonable compared to your expected tax liability. At your income level with 3 kids, a $12k refund is probably pushing it, but should be okay. Just something to be aware of.
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Nia Davis
•I didn't know the IRS could restrict your withholding choices! Has this happened to you or someone you know? How extreme would the withholding need to be for them to do this?
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Zoe Alexopoulos
•It's never happened to me personally, but I've seen it happen to a colleague. In their case, they were having about 50% of their check withheld when their actual tax liability would have only required about 15-20%. The IRS typically only issues lock-in letters when there's a significant discrepancy. For your situation, wanting a $12k refund on $150k income with 3 kids isn't extreme enough to trigger concern. It would be more problematic if you were trying to have, say, $40k withheld when your likely tax liability is only $15k. They generally don't mind reasonable overwithholding - many people use tax refunds as a savings method.
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Jamal Carter
Homeschooling parent here! While homeschooling doesn't give you federal tax benefits directly, don't forget to keep track of your homeschooling expenses for other potential benefits: 1. Some states offer tax credits or deductions for homeschooling expenses 2. Certain educational expenses might qualify for the Lifetime Learning Credit 3. If you have a 529 plan, some homeschool expenses may qualify (rules changed in 2018) 4. If you run a home business related to your homeschooling, some expenses might be deductible None of this directly affects your W4 withholding question, but since you mentioned homeschooling, I thought this might be helpful additional info!
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Mei Liu
•Do you know which states offer tax benefits for homeschooling? I'm in Illinois and considering homeschooling next year.
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Jamal Carter
•Illinois doesn't currently offer specific tax benefits for homeschooling expenses, unfortunately. States that do include Louisiana (deduction up to $5,000), Indiana (deduction up to $1,000 per child), Minnesota (education tax credit), and a few others. Even without state-specific benefits, don't forget about potential federal benefits like the Lifetime Learning Credit depending on how you structure your homeschooling program. Some families also set up small educational businesses alongside their homeschooling which can provide some tax advantages if done properly.
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