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Jordan Walker

$120k combined family income - why am I owing taxes instead of getting a refund?

I'm freaking out a bit here. I've always been pretty clueless about taxes - honestly just plug numbers into TurboTax and get my refund check a few weeks later. But this year I'm actually OWING money to the IRS and I'm completely lost. My household income is now at $120k between my two jobs (got a promotion at my main job and picked up a side gig last year). I claim myself and my 2 kids as dependents. I've never had to actually pay in before, always got around $2300-3000 back. What am I doing wrong here? Should I be claiming a different number of dependents? And should I have the same withholding settings at both jobs? The side job is only about $26k of my total income if that matters. I'm worried I messed something up on my W-4 forms. Any advice before I file this year would be super appreciated!

Natalie Adams

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When you have multiple jobs, each employer is withholding taxes as if that's your only source of income. That's most likely why you're owing taxes now. Let me explain: If you have one job paying $94k, the payroll system calculates your withholding based on standard deductions and tax brackets for that amount. Then your second job paying $26k does the same calculation, but at a lower tax bracket. The problem is that your actual tax situation combines these incomes, pushing more of your money into higher tax brackets than either individual employer accounted for. You should definitely adjust your W-4 forms. For the most accurate withholding, you can use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online. It lets you enter multiple jobs and will give you specific instructions for each W-4. Usually, you'd want to either reduce your dependents claimed on one or both jobs, or even better, use the "extra withholding" option on your W-4 to have additional money taken out each paycheck.

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Does this mean OP should always claim 0 dependents at the second job? And what about that checkbox for "multiple jobs or spouse works" on the new W-4? Does checking that box fix this problem?

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Natalie Adams

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For the secondary job, claiming 0 dependents is often a good approach, though it's not always necessary. What's most important is understanding that the W-4 has changed significantly since 2020. The new form doesn't use allowances anymore, so you don't technically "claim dependents" like before. The "Multiple Jobs or Spouse Works" checkbox is specifically designed to address this situation. If you check this box, it essentially tells your employer to withhold at a higher rate because you have additional income from another source. This is often the simplest solution, especially for your higher-paying job. For even more accuracy, you can complete the multiple jobs worksheet that comes with the W-4 form or use the IRS Withholding Estimator online.

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Amara Torres

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Mason Kaczka

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Can it calculate the exact extra withholding amount you should put on line 4(c) of the W-4? That's what I'm struggling with. HR at my company was useless when I asked them about this.

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Amara Torres

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It only analyzes the documents you upload - no bank integration or anything like that. You just take pictures of your W-2s or upload PDFs and it works with that information. I was hesitant about privacy too, but they explain their security measures pretty clearly. Yes, it calculates the exact extra withholding amount for line 4(c)! That was the most helpful part for me. I tried the IRS calculator first but found it confusing. The taxr.ai tool gave me a specific dollar amount for each paycheck that would ensure I'd break even (or get a small refund) instead of owing a big sum at tax time. My HR wasn't helpful either, they just directed me to the IRS website.

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Mason Kaczka

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Dominic Green

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Alright, I need to admit I was wrong about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since my tax situation this year is complicated with multiple W-2s. Called the IRS directly first as a test - waited 1 hour and 45 minutes on hold before having to hang up for a work meeting. Then tried Claimyr that evening. Went to the gym, made dinner, and about 2 hours later got a call connecting me directly to an IRS representative. The agent was super helpful about my multiple job withholding question and confirmed exactly what others here said - I needed to fill out the multiple jobs worksheet and add additional withholding on line 4(c). Having a direct conversation made everything so much clearer than trying to figure it out from the IRS website.

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Hannah Flores

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I'm in a similar boat with multiple incomes totaling around $110k. One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you should also check your state tax withholding! I fixed my federal withholding last year but completely forgot about state taxes and still ended up owing $900 to my state. Most states have their own withholding forms, and the same multiple-job issue applies there too.

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Good point! Is there an easy calculator for state withholding like the IRS one for federal taxes? My state's tax website is like something from 1997 and impossible to navigate.

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Hannah Flores

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Unfortunately, state withholding calculators are hit or miss. Some states have decent ones (California's is pretty good), but many don't. If your state's website is terrible, an alternative approach is to look at how much you owed last year and divide that by the number of pay periods remaining this year. For example, if you owed $900 to your state last year and get paid twice a month (24 pay periods), you'd want about $37.50 additional withholding per paycheck. Most state withholding forms have a line for additional withholding similar to the federal W-4. It's not as precise as using a calculator, but it's better than nothing!

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Has anyone tried just having the second job withhold at the flat "supplemental wage" rate instead of using the tax tables? For my wife's second job (she makes about $125k total), her employer lets her choose to withhold at the flat 22% federal rate for supplemental wages and it's been working pretty well.

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That's actually a really smart approach! The flat 22% might be higher than what the second job would normally withhold based on tax tables, which helps offset the combined income problem. Does this require any special paperwork or do you just ask payroll?

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Olivia Kay

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I went through this exact same situation a few years ago! The multiple jobs withholding issue is really common and honestly, the tax system isn't designed to handle it intuitively. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - make sure you're also considering quarterly estimated tax payments as an option. If adjusting your W-4s feels overwhelming or if your side income varies significantly throughout the year, you can make quarterly payments directly to the IRS to cover the gap. I use the IRS Form 1040ES to calculate what I should pay quarterly for my consulting income. It's especially helpful if your side gig income fluctuates - some quarters I make more, some less, so I adjust my payments accordingly rather than trying to nail down exact withholding amounts. The IRS actually prefers to get money throughout the year rather than in one lump sum at tax time, so there's no penalty for overpaying via quarterly payments (you just get it back as a refund). Just another tool in your toolkit alongside fixing those W-4s!

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Mila Walker

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This is really helpful advice about quarterly payments! I'm curious - do you find it easier to calculate the quarterly amounts using Form 1040ES compared to trying to figure out the exact withholding adjustments? And if your side income varies a lot, do you just estimate conservatively and then true up at the end of the year, or do you try to track it more precisely quarter by quarter?

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