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Miranda Singer

W-8BEN Form help needed for nonresident alien with J1 visa

I'm working in the US on a J1 visa since April and having some confusion with the W-8BEN form. I'm originally from Germany but currently living in the States while receiving royalty payments from several stock photography sites. Every single one of these photo agencies is demanding I submit a W-8BEN form, but I'm totally lost on how to complete it correctly. The main issue is that some agencies are rejecting my form because I listed different countries in Line 3 and Line 9. They specifically told me: "You indicated that your country of permanent residence (Line 3) is not the same as the country of your tax treaty benefits (Line 9). The U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) requires that your country of residence and country of tax treaty benefits be the same on this form. For this reason, we cannot approve your W-8BEN." This happened because I put my current US address in Line 3 (since that's where I'm actually living now), and my home country (Germany) in Line 9. I figured as a nonresident alien, I can't claim US benefits on Line 9 since I'm not a resident here. But if they need Line 3 and Line 9 to match, should I just put my German address in Line 3 even though I'm not living there anymore? What's the right way to fill this out? I tried talking to a tax advisor here but honestly she seemed confused about nonresident status (I actually had to correct her on some points). Any help would be super appreciated!

Cass Green

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The agencies are actually incorrect in their understanding of the W-8BEN form requirements. As a J1 visa holder (nonresident alien), you should list your CURRENT mailing address on Line 3, which would be your US address. Line 9 is where you claim tax treaty benefits from your country of citizenship/permanent residence (Germany in your case). The confusion may stem from the fact that many companies use automated systems to verify these forms, and their system is flagging the different countries as an error. The IRS does NOT require these two lines to match - in fact, for someone in your situation, they shouldn't match. What you should do is contact the compliance department directly at these agencies (not just customer service) and explain that you are a nonresident alien temporarily in the US on a J1 visa. Your permanent tax residence is still Germany, but your current mailing address is in the US. The W-8BEN instructions specifically allow for this situation.

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Thanks for the clarification! So you're saying I should keep my US address on Line 3 and Germany on Line 9, then try to explain this directly to their compliance team? Have you had experience with stock agencies being flexible once you explain the situation? I'm worried they'll just auto-reject it again.

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Cass Green

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Yes, keep your US address on Line 3 and Germany on Line 9. This is the correct way to complete the form for your situation. Some stock agencies have better trained compliance teams than others. I would recommend calling them directly rather than just resubmitting. Explain that you're temporarily in the US on a J1 visa but remain a tax resident of Germany under the tax treaty. In my experience, once you get to someone who actually understands international tax forms (rather than just following a checklist), they usually accept the properly completed form. If they continue to reject it, you could ask if they would accept your German address on Line 3 as an alternative, though this isn't technically correct since it's supposed to be your current mailing address.

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I'm a bit skeptical about using yet another online tool. Did it work with all your stock agencies or did some still reject your form? These companies seem to have their own interpretations of the rules regardless of what's technically correct.

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Something important nobody mentioned yet - the W-8BEN instructions actually say you should provide your PERMANENT residence address on line 3, not your mailing address. That's why these companies expect the country in line 3 to match line 9. For most people, permanent residence address = tax treaty country. The confusion comes because you're temporarily in the US but still a permanent resident of your home country. This is a common issue for students and researchers on temporary visas.

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Henry Delgado

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Wait, are you sure about this? I thought line 3 was for your current mailing address? I've been filling this out wrong for years if that's true. Can someone confirm?

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You're right to question this - I should have been more precise. Looking at the actual W-8BEN instructions from the IRS, Line 3 specifically asks for "Permanent residence address (do not use a P.O. box or in-care-of address)." For tax purposes, your "permanent residence address" is generally considered to be in your country of tax residence, not necessarily where you're temporarily staying. This is why companies expect the country in Line 3 to match the treaty country in Line 9. The confusion for many J1/F1 visa holders is that while you're physically in the US, your tax residency likely remains in your home country under most tax treaties. That's why tax experts often recommend using your home country address on Line 3 even if you're temporarily in the US - it aligns with the concept of "permanent residence address" for tax purposes.

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Olivia Kay

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I think everyone is overthinking this. I used to work for a major stock photo agency. For nonresidents temporarily in the US on J1/F1 visas, we ALWAYS told them to use their home country address on BOTH line 3 and line 9. The reasoning: Your "permanent residence address" is your address in your home country, not your temporary US address. Since you're physically present in the US under a TEMPORARY visa, your permanent residence remains in your home country. If you put your US address on line 3, you're essentially telling the IRS "I permanently live in the US" which contradicts your nonresident alien status. This triggers all kinds of flags in the verification systems.

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Joshua Hellan

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But the form also specifically says "do not use a P.O. box or in-care-of address" for line 3. If someone no longer maintains an apartment in their home country, what address should they use? Their parents' address? Some old address they no longer live at? That seems problematic too.

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Olivia Kay

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That's a good question. If you no longer maintain your own residence in your home country, using a family member's address (like your parents') where you could reasonably be expected to receive mail is generally acceptable. The key is that it should be an address in your country of permanent tax residence. The "no P.O. box or in-care-of address" restriction is primarily to ensure they have a physical location associated with you, not to force you to list an address where you're temporarily staying. For tax treaty purposes, your "permanent residence" is determined by your longer-term connections and intentions, not your temporary physical location while on a J1 visa.

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Jibriel Kohn

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Just to add one more data point - I'm from Austria and was in the US on a J1 last year. I initially had the same problem with Shutterstock and Adobe Stock. After several rejections, I finally just used my Austrian address on Line 3 (my parents' house) and Austria on Line 9, and both were immediately accepted. Is it technically correct? Maybe not 100%, but multiple agency compliance departments told me this was their preferred approach for nonresident aliens temporarily in the US. The reality is these companies just want the form to be processable in their automated systems so they can pay you without IRS issues.

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This confirms what I suspected - the agencies care more about their systems processing the forms than technical correctness. Did you have any issues with receiving payments using this approach? I'm worried about potential audit problems if I "bend" the rules.

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Jibriel Kohn

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I've had zero issues with payments. The agencies applied the correct tax treaty rates and everything went smoothly. As for audit concerns, my tax advisor eventually told me that for nonresidents temporarily in the US, using your home country address on Line 3 is actually defensible since that remains your permanent residence for tax purposes while your US stay is explicitly temporary. The key is consistency - if you're claiming nonresident alien status and treaty benefits from your home country, then listing that same country as your permanent residence aligns with that position. Just make sure you have a valid address where you could receive mail in your home country if needed.

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LunarLegend

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As someone who went through this exact situation with multiple stock agencies last year while on a J1 visa, I can confirm what others have said about using your home country address on both Line 3 and Line 9. The key insight that finally resolved my issues was understanding that "permanent residence address" for tax purposes isn't about where you're currently sleeping - it's about your established tax residence. Since you're in the US on a temporary visa and remain a tax resident of Germany under the treaty, your permanent residence address should reflect that. I ended up using my family's address in my home country for Line 3, which matched the country I claimed treaty benefits for in Line 9. Every agency accepted this approach immediately. The automated systems these companies use are looking for consistency between your claimed tax residence and the country you're seeking treaty benefits from. One practical tip: if you don't currently maintain your own residence back home, using a family member's address where you could realistically receive mail is generally acceptable. The IRS guidance focuses on having a legitimate address in your country of tax residence, not requiring you to personally lease property there while temporarily abroad.

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Sofia Perez

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This is really helpful perspective! I'm curious about one thing - when you used your family's address on Line 3, did any of the agencies ever ask for verification that you actually receive mail there? I'm worried about putting down my parents' address if there's a chance they might send something there that I wouldn't see right away. Also, did you have to coordinate with your family about potentially receiving any tax documents at that address?

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