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Zara Mirza

W-4 Withholding Help for Married Filing Jointly When Both Spouses Work with Income Disparity

Hey everyone, I'm freaking out a bit about our tax situation and need some W-4 advice. My husband and I just started preparing our 2023 return and looks like we're going to owe around $8k in taxes - yikes! I now realize I only checked the "married filing jointly/both work" box on my W-4 but didn't adjust the actual withholding amounts. I just used the W-4 calculator with both our incomes and it's saying we need about $13k additional withholding annually? That seems crazy high! For context: - My income: $135k salary plus roughly $25k in yearly bonuses (varies) - Husband's income: $85k salary with maybe $5k in bonuses max I'm not 100% sure what his W-4 says but I think he just checked the "both spouses work" box too without any additional withholding. We file married filing jointly. Does he also need to update his W-4 or just me? Having an extra $13k withheld would seriously impact our monthly budget. Is there any way to make this less painful? Also worth mentioning - I had 3 different employers in 2023. Left my 2022 job in early 2023, started a new one, quit after a couple weeks, then started my current position last February. My husband stayed at the same company all year. That job-hopping probably contributed to our current tax mess, but I want to avoid this situation for 2024/2025. One last question - if he earned more money, would our combined tax bill actually be lower? Thanks for any help!

Luca Russo

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The W-4 "married filing jointly/both work" checkbox alone doesn't properly adjust your withholding when there's a significant income difference between spouses. Here's what's happening: Your combined income puts you in a higher tax bracket than either of you would be in individually. When your employers calculate withholding based on just your individual salaries, they're not accounting for this "stacking" effect of your combined incomes. You don't both need to adjust your W-4s - you can fix this through just one of your forms. Typically, the higher-earning spouse (you) should make the adjustment. The $13K additional withholding sounds about right for your income levels when there's a $50K+ difference between spouses. To make this less painful, you have options: 1. Spread the additional withholding across both your paychecks 2. Adjust your W-4 to withhold a specific extra amount from each paycheck rather than annually 3. Make quarterly estimated tax payments instead of increasing withholding For your job changes - yes, that likely contributed to underwithholding. Each employer calculates withholding as if that job is your only income for the full year. Regarding your last question - if your husband earned more (closer to your income), you'd actually pay MORE total tax, not less. The tax savings from MFJ comes from income disparity between spouses.

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Zara Mirza

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Thanks for explaining! So if I understand correctly, the issue is our income difference puts us into a higher bracket together, but our individual employers are withholding at lower individual rates? I'm curious about spreading the withholding across both our W-4s. How would we figure out how much to put on each form? And is there any advantage to doing it that way versus just adjusting mine?

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Luca Russo

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The income "stacking" is exactly the issue - your employers can't see each other's withholding or your total household income, so they calculate as if each job is your only income. To split the withholding between both W-4s, simply divide the additional amount needed. For example, if you need $13K more withheld annually, you could put $8K on yours and $5K on his. The main advantage is psychological - it feels less painful when the reduction is spread across both paychecks rather than coming from just one. Another approach: Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (not the basic calculator) which will give you step-by-step instructions for both W-4s. It's more accurate and can help balance the withholding appropriately. There's no tax advantage either way - the total withholding is what matters, not which paycheck it comes from.

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Nia Harris

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GalaxyGazer

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How accurate was it compared to the IRS withholding calculator? I've tried the IRS tool but found it super complicated and it asked for info I didn't have handy. Did you need your full tax return details to use taxr.ai or just the basics?

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Mateo Sanchez

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I'm skeptical of third-party tax tools. Does it store your tax information? Seems risky to upload financial docs to some random website instead of just using the IRS calculator. What makes this better than just following the W-4 instructions?

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Nia Harris

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The accuracy was spot-on compared to the IRS calculator, but it was much easier to use. The IRS tool is comprehensive but can be overwhelming with all those questions. You don't need your full return - I just uploaded our W-2s and last paystubs and it figured out the patterns. It doesn't permanently store your documents - they're analyzed and then deleted after your session. I was concerned about that too. What made it better than the W-4 instructions was the visual comparison of different withholding strategies and how each would affect our paychecks. The standard W-4 methods either have you withhold too much or don't account well for variable income like bonuses.

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Mateo Sanchez

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Well I need to apologize for being skeptical earlier. I decided to try taxr.ai because we were in a similar situation (wife makes about $120k, I make $65k, and we owed $7k last year). The tool actually showed us that we were BOTH making withholding mistakes. I had selected "Married" but not checked the "two earners" box, while my wife had checked that box but hadn't added any extra withholding amount. The analysis revealed we needed about $11k more in annual withholding, but instead of just saying "withhold more," it suggested specific dollar amounts for each paycheck based on our pay frequency. We decided to split it about 70/30 between our paychecks. Already seeing the difference in our take-home pay, but it's less painful knowing we won't have another huge tax bill next April. Kind of wish I'd known about this last year before we got hit with that bill!

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I need to eat my words from my previous comment. After another failed attempt to reach the IRS myself (2.5 hours on hold before the call dropped), I decided to try Claimyr out of desperation. Got connected to an actual IRS representative in about 25 minutes. Didn't have to sit on hold or deal with the endless phone tree. The agent was super helpful explaining exactly how my wife and I should complete our W-4s with our income disparity. The most helpful thing was getting confirmation that we could split the additional withholding between both our paychecks in whatever proportion worked best for our budget. We decided to have 60% come from my wife's higher salary and 40% from mine, which feels much more manageable than taking it all from one paycheck. Now I just need to try this taxr.ai thing that others mentioned to see if the numbers match what the IRS told me!

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Carmen Vega

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Just want to add one more tip that helped us with a similar income disparity. If you're trying to avoid a huge tax bill but don't want to significantly reduce your monthly take-home pay, consider adjusting your W-4 withholding for just your bonus amounts. My husband and I have about a $55k income difference. Instead of having more withheld from every paycheck, we set our regular withholding correctly using the IRS calculator, but then elected for maximum withholding (22%) on all bonuses. Since you mentioned getting around $30k combined in bonuses, having the maximum withheld from those would cover a significant portion of your underwithholding without affecting your regular paychecks.

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Zara Mirza

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That's a really interesting approach I hadn't thought of! Do you just talk to your payroll department to set a different withholding rate specifically for bonuses? And does the 22% apply automatically or do you have to request it?

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Carmen Vega

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You can talk to your HR or payroll department about this - most larger companies have options for bonus withholding that are separate from regular paycheck withholding. Many will default to a flat 22% supplemental wage withholding rate, but you can usually request a higher percentage if needed. Some employers let you specify this choice when bonuses are announced. For my company, I just submitted a form indicating I wanted the maximum withholding percentage applied to supplemental wages (bonuses, commissions, etc.). The 22% is actually the default federal withholding for supplemental wages up to $1 million, but you can request more. For us, requesting 30% withholding on bonuses (22% federal plus extra for state) meant our regular paychecks weren't affected much, but we still covered our additional tax liability.

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One more thing nobody has mentioned - if u already know ur gonna owe for 2024 and dont want to change ur withholding too dramatically, u can make quarterly estimated tax payments directly to the IRS. This way your paychecks stay about the same but you avoid a big bill (and possibly penalties) at tax time. For us, we decided to have a little extra taken out of each paycheck (about half of what was recommended) and then we make quarterly payments for the rest. Feels less painful to spread it out this way. The payment vouchers are on form 1040-ES and due dates are typically April 15, June 15, Sept 15, and Jan 15 of the following year.

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Andre Moreau

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Don't you get charged a penalty if you only pay quarterly instead of having it withheld throughout the year from your paycheck?

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Khalid Howes

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No penalty as long as you meet the safe harbor rules! You just need to pay either 90% of the current year's tax liability OR 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k). Since you already owe $8k for 2023, if you make sure your 2024 withholding plus quarterly payments equal at least what you paid in total taxes for 2023, you're safe from penalties. The IRS doesn't care whether the money comes from paycheck withholding or estimated payments - they just want it paid timely. The quarterly approach can actually be better for cash flow management, especially if you have variable income from bonuses like the OP mentioned.

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