Venmo 1099-K for supplement business with no expenses - client says ingredients were gifted years ago
So I have this weird situation with a client who runs a small supplement business on the side. He got a 1099-K from Venmo for about $12,500 in transactions from last year. When I asked about his business expenses for the Schedule C, he insists he has zero expenses because all the ingredients for his supplements were "gifted to him years ago" by a relative who used to be in the business. This doesn't sound right to me. Even if he somehow got all these ingredients for free (which seems like a lot), wouldn't there be other expenses like packaging, shipping materials, maybe a website subscription or something? He's selling enough to trigger a 1099-K so it's not just a few sales to friends. I'm concerned the IRS will flag this as suspicious since a business with zero expenses but significant income looks strange. Should I push back harder on this or just file what he's telling me? I'm not trying to help him evade taxes but also don't want to accuse him of lying.
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Rudy Cenizo
This definitely raises some red flags. A business with $12,500 in revenue and literally zero expenses is going to look suspicious to the IRS. Even if the ingredients were gifted years ago (which is already questionable for supplements that typically have expiration dates), he should still have some costs associated with running this business. At minimum, most supplement sellers would have packaging costs, shipping supplies, possibly website fees or marketplace commissions, maybe even a portion of home utilities if he's working from home. If he's claiming these were all personal gifts of ingredients from years ago, he should still be depreciating the value of that inventory over time. I'd recommend explaining to your client that the IRS looks for certain patterns, and a business with zero expenses is a massive red flag. Not reporting legitimate business expenses actually hurts him by increasing his tax liability unnecessarily. Maybe try approaching it from that angle - you're trying to help him pay the correct amount of tax, not more.
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Natalie Khan
•Would the client need to establish a value for these "gifted" ingredients for inventory purposes? I thought you had to establish some kind of basis for business inventory even if it was obtained for free.
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Rudy Cenizo
•Yes, even "gifted" business inventory needs to be assigned a fair market value as its basis. This becomes the cost basis of the inventory for tax purposes. When the items are sold, the difference between the sales price and this basis is what determines the profit. For items received as gifts specifically for business use, the client should have recorded the fair market value of those ingredients at the time they were received. If he's been selling supplements made from these ingredients over multiple years, he should have been tracking his inventory and reporting the appropriate cost of goods sold each year as the ingredients are used.
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Daryl Bright
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Sienna Gomez
•Did they actually look at your specific transactions or just give general advice? I'm always skeptical of these AI tax services. How did they verify what was a business expense vs. personal?
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Kirsuktow DarkBlade
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Daryl Bright
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Sienna Gomez
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Abigail bergen
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Anderson Prospero
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Anderson Prospero
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Tyrone Hill
The supplement industry is pretty heavily regulated. Is your client following FDA regulations for supplement labeling? Those labels cost money. Also, supplements need to be in appropriate containers that maintain stability - those aren't free either. The IRS isn't stupid. They know what running a business costs. If he's selling $12K worth of supplements with zero expenses, that's going to raise eyebrows. Even if the raw materials were gifted, there's packaging, labels, shipping, possibly a scale for measuring, maybe a website or marketplace fees.
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Harmony Love
•You make a really good point about the regulatory compliance stuff. I hadn't even thought about the FDA labeling requirements. I'm going to ask him specifically about packaging, shipping supplies, and the labels since those definitely couldn't have been "gifted years ago" - they would be ongoing expenses. I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the more I think about it, the more impossible it seems to run any business with zero expenses. I'm going to have a more direct conversation with him and explain that I'm trying to help him avoid unnecessary IRS scrutiny.
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Tyrone Hill
•Glad I could help! The FDA requires supplements to have specific labeling including ingredients, nutrition facts, serving sizes, and various disclaimers. He's definitely paying something for compliant labels unless he's operating completely under the table (which would be a whole different problem). Also consider asking about things like shipping costs, payment processing fees (Venmo might charge business accounts), any social media or advertising costs, and home office expenses if he's producing these at home. Sometimes clients don't realize these all count as legitimate business expenses that would actually reduce his tax liability.
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Toot-n-Mighty
My sister sells homemade soaps and had a similar situation where most of her initial supplies were gifted. Her accountant told her she STILL needed to establish a fair market value for the gifted supplies as beginning inventory and then deduct the cost of goods sold as she used them. Also, Venmo now charges fees for business transactions - is he paying those? That alone would be an expense. And if he's actually complying with regulations for selling supplements, there's no way he has zero expenses. The IRS knows what businesses cost to operate.
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Lena Kowalski
•Do business Venmo fees show up separately somewhere? I've been paying them but haven't been tracking them for my small business.
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