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Muhammad Hobbs

Understanding the 50 mile per diem rule for tax deductions - what actually counts?

I'm getting really confused about this 50 mile per diem rule and getting different answers everywhere I look. Can someone clarify if it's actually 50 miles from your tax home or not? I've heard conflicting things. If the IRS decides to audit you, what documentation do they actually look at to verify your workplace location? I'm guessing they'd check my paystubs, but do paystubs typically have location codes or something that shows where you worked? I'm traveling for work quite a bit this year and trying to make sure I'm following the rules correctly so I don't get in trouble later. Any insights from people who understand this rule or have been through an audit would be super helpful!

Noland Curtis

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The 50-mile rule isn't actually for per diem - it's a common misconception. The 50-mile test applies to whether your travel expenses can qualify as deductible business expenses when you're away from your "tax home." Your tax home is generally your regular place of business or post of duty, regardless of where you maintain your family home. To deduct travel expenses (including per diem), you need to be traveling away from your tax home substantially longer than a normal workday, requiring sleep or rest. The IRS typically uses the 50-mile distance as a rule of thumb to help determine if you're "away from home" - but there's no specific 50-mile requirement written in the tax code. For verification during an audit, the IRS would likely request documentation beyond just paystubs. They'd want to see your employer's records of your work assignments, travel expense reports, lodging receipts, and any reimbursement policies. Your W-2 might have some location information, but detailed assignment locations usually aren't there.

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Diez Ellis

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This is interesting, I always thought the 50-mile rule was a hard requirement! So if I'm traveling 45 miles away but need to stay overnight because of multiple day work, can I still claim per diem? And do you need to keep google maps screenshots or anything showing the distance?

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Noland Curtis

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Yes, you could potentially still claim per diem at 45 miles if the circumstances genuinely require you to stay overnight for business purposes. The key factor isn't strictly the mileage but whether business needs truly require you to be away overnight. For documentation, Google Maps screenshots showing the distance between locations would be helpful evidence. Also maintain a log of your work travel that includes dates, locations, business purpose, and lodging information. The more documentation you have, the better position you'll be in if questioned by the IRS.

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Quick tip as someone who went through an IRS audit on this exact issue: the IRS will definitely check your regular workplace address on your W-2 (Box 20 has state and locality code) as a starting point. But they'll then request more detailed documentation like: 1. Your employer's written travel policies 2. Assignment letters or contracts showing location and expected duration 3. Expense reports you submitted to your employer 4. Lodging receipts showing you actually stayed overnight The auditor in my case was mostly concerned with whether my travel was truly temporary (under 1 year) rather than just fixating on the exact mileage. They did measure the distance using standard mapping tools though.

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Marilyn Dixon

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Did you end up owing more after your audit? And was there any particular documentation that ended up saving you?

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I actually didn't owe anything extra because I had good documentation. The thing that saved me was having a letter from my employer stating that each assignment was expected to last less than 6 months and that overnight stays were "required for business purposes." The auditor seemed to put a lot of weight on that official company policy. My mileage log also helped - I had kept a spreadsheet with dates, locations, miles, and business purpose for each trip. The auditor commented that most people don't keep records that detailed, so having that organization definitely worked in my favor.

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I ran into this question in my job as a traveling nurse. My agency reimburses per diem, but they specifically mention this "50 mile rule" in their policy. From what I understand after talking to our payroll department, the 50 miles is actually THEIR policy, not an IRS requirement. They use it as a simplified way to determine who qualifies for tax-free per diem. A company can set their own policies for reimbursement that are more restrictive than the IRS minimum requirements. So if you're getting per diem from your employer, check THEIR policy documents rather than just IRS publications.

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TommyKapitz

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This is really important info that people miss! My company does the same thing - their policy is stricter than the IRS requirements. Does your company's W-2 reflect the per diem in box 12 with a code L? That's how mine shows it.

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Micah Trail

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As a tax preparer, I see this confusion about the 50-mile rule constantly during tax season. What many people don't realize is that the IRS actually uses a "sleep or rest" test rather than a specific mileage requirement. Publication 463 explains that you must be away from your tax home long enough to require substantial sleep or rest to meet the demands of your work. The 50-mile distance is more of a practical guideline that courts and the IRS use to help determine if overnight travel was truly necessary for business purposes. If you're traveling 30 miles but genuinely need to stay overnight due to early morning meetings or safety concerns, that could still qualify. Conversely, traveling 60 miles for a day trip wouldn't qualify for per diem. For audit protection, I always tell my clients to maintain a detailed travel log with business purpose, dates, locations, and why overnight stay was necessary. Also keep any employer communications about travel requirements - these carry significant weight with auditors.

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Serene Snow

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was looking for! As someone new to business travel deductions, I'm curious about the "safety concerns" you mentioned as a valid reason for overnight stays. What types of safety situations would the IRS typically accept as legitimate business necessity? For example, if I have to drive through mountain passes in winter conditions and my employer recommends staying overnight rather than driving back the same day, would that qualify even at shorter distances?

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