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Emma Davis

Understanding Line 16 on Form 1065 and Depreciation on Form 8825

Hey fellow tax nerds, I'm having some trouble figuring out the depreciation reporting on my partnership's tax return. I manage a small real estate partnership with my brother and cousin, and I'm trying to complete our 1065 filing for this year. I'm confused about how to properly report depreciation on line 16 of Form 1065 and how it relates to Form 8825. We have three rental properties that we've purchased over the last 5 years. Each has different acquisition dates and values. Our previous accountant handled all this, but we're trying to save money this year by filing ourselves. When I look at Form 8825 (Rental Real Estate Income and Expenses of a Partnership), there's a specific line for depreciation. Should that amount automatically carry over to line 16 of Form 1065? Or do I need to do some other calculation? Also, we did some significant improvements on one property last year (new roof and HVAC system). Do these get depreciated differently than the buildings themselves? Any guidance would be super appreciated! Tax software isn't giving me clear answers.

LunarLegend

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You're dealing with a common confusion point with partnership returns. The depreciation on Form 8825 line 18 does indeed flow to Form 1065, but there's a bit more to understand. Form 8825 is specifically for reporting rental real estate activity for partnerships. The depreciation you calculate for your rental properties (including the buildings and any improvements) gets reported on line 18 of Form 8825. This amount then becomes part of the overall depreciation reported on Form 1065. For your improvements (roof and HVAC), these are considered capital improvements and are depreciated separately from the building. Generally, residential rental property is depreciated over 27.5 years, while commercial property is over 39 years. However, certain components like HVAC systems might qualify for shorter depreciation periods (often 15 or 27.5 years depending on circumstances). The tricky part is that Form 1065 line 16 includes ALL depreciation for the partnership - not just real estate. If you have other depreciable assets (office equipment, vehicles, etc.), their depreciation would also be included on Form 1065 line 16.

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Malik Jackson

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Thanks for explaining that! So if we only have real estate assets (the buildings and improvements), would the amount on Form 8825 line 18 be exactly the same as Form 1065 line 16? And do we need to file Form 4562 as well?

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LunarLegend

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Yes, if your partnership only owns real estate assets, then the amount on Form 8825 line 18 should match Form 1065 line 16 exactly. You'll definitely need to file Form 4562 (Depreciation and Amortization) with your return. This form shows the detail behind your depreciation calculations, including information about new assets placed in service during the tax year. This is particularly important for those improvements you mentioned (roof and HVAC) as you'll need to list them as new assets placed in service, with appropriate recovery periods.

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Ravi Patel

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Does it actually tell you the specific depreciation schedules for different types of improvements? I've been struggling with knowing whether items should be 5-year property, 15-year, 27.5-year, etc.

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Diego Flores

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For what it's worth, I found that QuickBooks Desktop has a really helpful fixed asset manager that automatically tracks and calculates depreciation for partnership returns. It properly allocates the depreciation from Form 8825 to Form 1065 line 16, and it helps you set up new assets with the correct depreciation schedules. Might be worth looking into if you're doing this regularly.

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Emma Davis

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Is QuickBooks Desktop much better than the Online version for handling rental property depreciation? We've been using QBO but it seems limited for asset management.

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Diego Flores

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QuickBooks Desktop is significantly better than the Online version when it comes to handling fixed assets and depreciation. The Desktop version has a much more robust Fixed Asset Manager module that allows you to track assets, set appropriate depreciation methods, and automatically calculate depreciation for tax and book purposes. QBO's asset management is pretty basic in comparison and often requires manual calculations or separate spreadsheets to properly track everything. If you have multiple properties with various improvements that need different depreciation schedules, Desktop will save you tons of time and reduce errors. The learning curve is a bit steeper, but it's worth it if real estate is a significant part of your business.

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Don't forget that certain qualified improvement property might be eligible for bonus depreciation or Section 179 expensing, which could significantly change how you report it. The rules have changed several times in recent years.

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Sean Flanagan

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This is a great point! Just keep in mind that residential rental properties generally don't qualify for Section 179 expensing. But certain improvements to nonresidential property might qualify for bonus depreciation depending on when they were placed in service.

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Thanks for this detailed thread everyone! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation but with mixed-use properties (part rental, part business use). Does anyone know how the depreciation reporting works when you have properties that serve multiple purposes? I assume the depreciation still flows from Form 8825 to Form 1065 line 16, but I'm wondering if there are additional forms or allocations I need to consider. Our partnership owns a building where we rent out the first floor but use the second floor for our consulting business operations. Also seeing all these tool recommendations - has anyone used any of these services specifically for mixed-use property situations? The complexity seems to increase significantly when you're dealing with multiple depreciation schedules for the same building.

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Zane Gray

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Mixed-use properties definitely add complexity! For your situation, you'll need to allocate the depreciation based on the percentage of business use vs rental use. The rental portion would go on Form 8825 and flow to Form 1065 line 16, while the business use portion would typically be reported directly on Form 1065 line 16 as well (but calculated separately on Form 4562). You'll want to establish a reasonable method for allocation - usually based on square footage or fair rental value. So if your first floor rental is 60% of the building's square footage, then 60% of the building's depreciation goes to Form 8825, and 40% gets allocated to business use. Regarding the tools mentioned in this thread - I haven't used them for mixed-use specifically, but given the additional complexity you're dealing with, it might be worth exploring. The key is making sure whatever tool you use can handle the allocation calculations properly and generate the appropriate forms. You might also want to consider consulting with a tax professional for the first year to establish the proper allocation methodology, then use software to maintain it going forward. Document your allocation method well since the IRS may want to see your reasoning if they ever examine the return!

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Amara Eze

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm a CPA who works with a lot of small partnerships, and I see this confusion about Form 8825 and Form 1065 line 16 constantly. A few additional points that might help: 1. Make sure you're using the correct depreciation method for each asset type. Most residential rental property uses straight-line over 27.5 years, but some improvements might qualify for different recovery periods. 2. For your roof and HVAC improvements - these are definitely capital improvements that need to be depreciated separately. The roof would typically follow the same 27.5-year schedule as residential rental property, but HVAC systems often qualify for 15-year depreciation. 3. Don't forget about the mid-month convention for real estate - depreciation starts in the middle of the month the property was placed in service, regardless of the actual date. 4. Keep detailed records of when each improvement was completed and placed in service. The IRS is particularly strict about depreciation start dates. One thing I always tell my clients is to create a depreciation schedule spreadsheet that tracks each property and improvement separately. This makes it much easier to complete Form 4562 and ensures consistency between Form 8825 and Form 1065. If you're planning to continue doing your own returns, investing in proper fixed asset tracking software (like some mentioned here) really pays off in the long run. The initial setup takes time, but it prevents a lot of headaches later!

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Dmitry Popov

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! As someone new to partnership taxation, I really appreciate the breakdown of the mid-month convention - I had no idea about that rule. Quick follow-up question: when you mention creating a depreciation schedule spreadsheet, do you have any recommendations for what columns/information should be tracked? I want to make sure I'm capturing everything from the start rather than trying to reconstruct it later. Also, for the HVAC systems getting 15-year depreciation - is that always the case, or does it depend on the type of rental property (residential vs commercial)? We're dealing with residential rentals but I want to make sure I'm applying the right recovery period.

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