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Diego Mendoza

Trying to find tax advantages to marriage when we both earn good income - any benefits I'm missing?

I've been running the numbers and can't seem to find any tax benefits to getting married. My situation: I make $135k and my partner makes $110k. We're planning to buy a house soon and with current interest rates, we'll be paying around $40k in mortgage interest for the first several years. Also thinking about having a baby in 2024 or 2025. Here's what I'm seeing: If we file jointly after marriage, we'd itemize for the mortgage interest, but that's the only real deduction. Our Roth IRA contribution limits would actually be lower than if we stayed single filers. If we do married filing separately, we basically can't contribute to Roth IRAs at all (because of the $10k MAGI limit) and both have to itemize for the interest deduction. If we just stay unmarried, we both keep higher Roth IRA income limits, I could itemize and deduct all (or at least 80%) of the mortgage interest since I'll be making the payments, and my partner could still take the standard deduction. Am I missing some credit or benefit for married couples? I'm also confused about how a child would factor in - how do head of household status and child tax credits work in this scenario? Everyone always says marriage and kids provide tax benefits, but I'm just not seeing it in our situation. What am I overlooking?

Tax planning for marriage often depends on your specific situation, and you're right that at higher income levels, there can sometimes be a "marriage penalty." For your situation, there are a few things to consider. First, the mortgage interest - while you could technically have one person claim it while unmarried, the IRS looks at who has legal obligation to pay and who has ownership. If both names are on the mortgage and deed, splitting the interest deduction while unmarried becomes complicated. For the child situation, only one unmarried parent can claim Head of Household status, which does provide better tax brackets than single filing. The parent who provides more than half the cost of maintaining the home where the child lives qualifies. The Child Tax Credit can be claimed by the parent who claims the child as a dependent. The benefits people talk about often apply to couples with disparate incomes (like one high earner and one low/no earner), or those at lower income brackets. At your income levels, you might face what's called the "marriage penalty" where your combined income pushes you into a higher tax bracket than you'd be in separately.

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What about other tax credits when you have children? Does marriage impact how much you can claim for childcare expenses? Also, does health insurance play into this at all? I've heard something about being able to add spouses to employer plans tax-free but not unmarried partners.

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The Child and Dependent Care Credit is definitely something to consider. Both married and unmarried parents can claim it, but only one parent can claim it if you're unmarried. The credit is worth up to $3,600 for one child under 6 ($3,000 for older children), though it phases out at higher income levels. Health insurance is another good point. Employer-provided health insurance for spouses is generally not considered taxable income, but coverage for unmarried partners typically is taxable. This could be a significant benefit depending on your employers' health plans and costs.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is Social Security benefits. If there's a significant income disparity between you two, marriage can provide substantial benefits later in life. The lower-earning spouse can claim benefits based on the higher-earning spouse's record. Also, estate tax and inheritance issues are much simpler for married couples. If something happens to one of you, a spouse can inherit everything tax-free, while unmarried partners might face substantial taxes depending on your state.

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Does this Social Security benefit apply even if both spouses work their whole careers? I thought that only mattered if one spouse didn't work much or at all.

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Yes, it can still matter even if both work their full careers. Each person gets their own benefit based on their earnings, but they're also entitled to 50% of their spouse's benefit if that amount is higher than their own. So if one person consistently earned more, the lower-earning spouse could potentially get a higher benefit through the spousal benefit. It also matters tremendously for survivor benefits. If one spouse passes away, the surviving spouse can switch to the deceased spouse's full benefit amount if it's higher than their own. Unmarried partners don't have access to this option regardless of how long they've been together.

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Having been through this myself, you're missing a critical view of the long game. Your immediate tax hit might be negative, but consider: 1) Health insurance and beneficiary status on retirement accounts is much simpler married 2) One massive advantage: unlimited gift/estate tax exemption between spouses 3) Legal protections if one of you becomes ill or incapacitated 4) With kids, certain education credits phase out at lower incomes for single filers My spouse and I calculated about a $1,800 marriage penalty annually at first, but when my income dropped after having our second child, we actually benefited from filing jointly. Life changes, and being married gives you more flexibility as your situation evolves.

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This is really helpful. Question though: for education credits, do both parents' incomes count anyway if they both claim the child as a dependent in alternating years (even if unmarried)? Or does it only look at the income of whoever claims the child that year?

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