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Malik Thompson

Tax advantages between no income tax vs income tax states for NHL players - significant difference?

I need to settle a debate once and for all about NHL player taxes. Every off-season, hockey analysts claim players who sign in Florida or other no-income-tax states for $9 million would need like $12+ million in Toronto or New York to make the same amount after taxes. Our favorite team plays in a high-tax area, and fans are constantly complaining we're at a disadvantage compared to teams in places with no state income tax (like Tampa or Dallas). The salary cap means teams only have so much money to spend, so the argument is that high-tax markets struggle to attract top talent because players take home less. Some people argue this whole thing is overblown because players pay taxes based on where games are played (so 41 home games plus road games in tax states), and that any decent accountant can structure finances to minimize the tax hit for players in high-tax markets. I'm tired of this debate every free agency period. Do teams in no-tax states like Florida and Texas actually have a real financial advantage when signing players, or can smart tax planning make the difference negligible regardless of where a player signs?

The tax advantage for professional athletes in no-income-tax states is real but often exaggerated in sports media. Here's what actually happens: Yes, pro athletes are subject to what we call "jock tax" - they pay taxes based on where they physically perform services. So NHL players pay taxes for each game location. A player on a Florida team pays no state income tax for 41 home games, but still pays state taxes when playing in places like New York or California. However, the advantage isn't completely neutralized. Let's break it down: a player on a Florida team avoids state income tax on: 1) all 41 home games, 2) road games in other no-tax states like Texas, 3) their off-season training time if they maintain Florida residency, and 4) investment and endorsement income if structured correctly. Savvy financial planning can mitigate some disadvantages for players in high-tax states, but it can't eliminate the gap entirely. The difference isn't quite as dramatic as "$10M in Florida equals $13.5M in Toronto," but it's still meaningful - especially for high-earning players where even a 5% difference means hundreds of thousands.

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CosmicVoyager

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Thanks for explaining! So what percentage difference would you say is realistic between a high-tax state like California and no-tax state like Florida? Also, could a player technically establish residency in a no-tax state even if they play for a team in a high-tax state?

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For a high-earner like an NHL star, the realistic difference between playing in California versus Florida might be around 5-8% of total compensation, depending on their specific situation and how many division games they play in similar tax jurisdictions. Players can establish residency in a different state than where they play, but it's challenging and often scrutinized by tax authorities. To establish legitimate residency, you typically need to spend the majority of your non-working time there, have your primary home there, be registered to vote there, etc. States like California and New York are particularly aggressive about pursuing athletes who they believe are avoiding taxes while working substantial time in their states. It's not impossible, but requires careful planning and documentation.

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Ravi Kapoor

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Freya Nielsen

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How exactly does this handle the multi-state income issue? I travel for work too (not as much as NHL players lol) but I'm in 6-7 states regularly and my taxes are a nightmare. Does it actually track which states you worked in or do you have to log all that manually?

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Omar Mahmoud

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Ravi Kapoor

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Freya Nielsen

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Chloe Harris

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I work at a financial firm that handles taxes for several pro athletes (not saying who lol). Something nobody's mentioned yet is how HARD it is to get through to the IRS when there are state allocation issues or jock tax questions. We had a client with a major issue where California was trying to tax him for games he didn't even play in because of injury. Took WEEKS to get someone on the phone who understood the issue. Finally we started using https://claimyr.com and it changed everything. They get you connected to an IRS agent usually within an hour instead of waiting days. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c For athletes dealing with multiple state issues, getting fast access to actual IRS people is crucial during tax season. This service has saved us so much time when we need to resolve complicated multi-state tax situations quickly.

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Diego Vargas

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How does this actually work though? The IRS phone system is completely broken by design. Is this some kind of priority line service? I'm confused how any third party can get you through faster.

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NeonNinja

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Chloe Harris

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NeonNinja

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OK I need to publicly eat my words from my skeptical comment above. After dismissing Claimyr as BS, I actually tried it last week out of desperation - had a client with a multi-state filing issue that needed immediate attention before a deadline. I was absolutely shocked when I got a call back with an actual IRS agent on the line within 40 minutes. Literally spent the previous TWO DAYS trying to get through myself. The agent resolved our state allocation issue in one call. For anyone dealing with complex state tax situations like pro athletes, being able to actually talk to the IRS makes an enormous difference. Still can't believe it worked so well after I was so dismissive. Humble pie tastes terrible but at least my client's tax issue is fixed!

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The other factor nobody's mentioned is that some teams in high-tax areas actually calculate the "after-tax" value when making offers. I have a buddy who works in an NHL front office (high-tax state) and they specifically structure contracts to account for tax differences. Like they'll offer more signing bonus vs salary since bonuses are taxed differently, or they'll adjust the payment schedule to minimize state exposure. Some teams even have dedicated tax specialists who work with player agents to show "equivalent offers" after tax. So while the advantage exists, smart teams have figured out ways to present offers that look equivalent after taxes. The real issue is the salary cap doesn't adjust for tax situations - $8.5M against the cap is the same whether it's in Florida or New York.

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Sean Murphy

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This is super interesting. Do you know if there's a max percentage they typically need to add to make offers equivalent? Like would a Toronto team need to offer 10% more than a Florida team for the same take-home pay? Or is it more like 20-30%?

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From what I understand, the differential is typically in the 8-12% range for most situations, though it can go higher for certain very high-income players. The teams don't just look at base compensation though - they get creative. For example, some Canadian teams will structure deals with a higher proportion paid as signing bonuses which can sometimes be taxed differently than regular salary. Or they'll work with financial advisors to show how investment opportunities in Canada might offset some tax differences. Teams in high-tax states often emphasize lifestyle benefits, endorsement opportunities in major markets, or better facilities to overcome the tax gap. It's more complex than just the raw numbers.

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Zara Khan

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I heard some NHL players actually keep their legal residence in Canada even when playing for American teams to take advantage of certain tax treaties and foreign income exclusions. Is this actually a thing or just a hockey rumor?

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Luca Ferrari

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Canadian residents still pay Canadian taxes on worldwide income, so that wouldn't typically be advantageous unless they're playing for a Canadian team. What some players do (not just Canadians) is establish residency in states with no income tax even if they play elsewhere. Tyler Seguin talked about this openly years ago - maintaining Florida residency while playing for the Stars in Texas (also no state income tax). He maximized his time in Florida during off-seasons to help cement his residency status there. It's all about where you spend the majority of your non-working days.

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Andre Laurent

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This is a fascinating discussion that touches on some really complex tax planning strategies. As someone who's dealt with multi-state tax issues (though nowhere near NHL player complexity), I can confirm that the jock tax creates real challenges. One thing I'd add is that the advantage isn't just about the player's salary - it extends to their entire financial ecosystem. Players in no-tax states often structure their off-season training businesses, endorsement deals, and investment income to flow through their tax-friendly home state. So a Florida-based player might have their personal training company, equipment endorsements, and appearance fees all structured to minimize overall tax burden. The salary cap issue is the real kicker though. Teams in high-tax markets are essentially operating with a smaller "effective" salary cap because they need to offer more gross compensation to match the after-tax value of offers from no-tax states. It's not just about individual fairness to players - it creates a structural competitive imbalance that the league hasn't really addressed. I'm curious if anyone knows whether the NHL has ever considered adjusting salary cap calculations based on local tax rates, similar to how some other compensation systems account for cost of living differences?

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Saleem Vaziri

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Great point about the structural competitive imbalance! I don't think the NHL has seriously considered salary cap adjustments for tax differences, and honestly it would be a nightmare to implement. Tax rates change, players move residences, and you'd need to constantly recalculate cap hits based on individual circumstances. What's really wild is that this affects team building strategy beyond just free agency. Teams in high-tax markets might prioritize drafting and developing talent since rookie contracts are standardized - a first-round pick makes the same amount whether they're in Florida or Toronto. But once those players hit free agency, the tax disadvantage kicks in hard. The endorsement income structuring you mentioned is huge too. A star player in New York has way more endorsement opportunities than someone in Tampa, but if they can't structure those deals through a tax-friendly state, they might actually come out behind financially despite the bigger market. It's like the league accidentally created this weird economic puzzle where geographic location matters more than market size in some cases.

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The tax discussion here is spot on, but I want to add something from the IRS perspective that might clarify things. The "jock tax" rules are actually pretty straightforward - athletes pay taxes based on "duty days" in each state, which includes games, practices, team meetings, and even travel days in some jurisdictions. What makes this especially complex for NHL players is that they're not just dealing with state income taxes - they're also navigating different rules for things like signing bonuses (often taxed where the contract is signed), endorsement income (taxed where services are performed), and investment income (taxed based on residency). The 5-8% advantage estimate mentioned earlier is realistic for salary, but the total financial impact can be much larger when you factor in all income sources. A player who establishes legitimate residency in a no-tax state can potentially save on ALL their non-game income, which for star players often exceeds their salary. One thing to watch out for though - states are getting more aggressive about auditing high-income athletes. California and New York in particular have entire departments dedicated to tracking whether athletes are legitimately avoiding taxes or just claiming fake residency. The documentation requirements are getting stricter every year.

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Libby Hassan

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This is really helpful insight from the IRS side! I'm curious about something you mentioned - what kind of documentation do states like California and New York typically look for when they audit athletes claiming out-of-state residency? I imagine it's more than just having an address somewhere else. Do they track things like where you get medical care, where your kids go to school, gym memberships, that sort of thing? And how far back do these audits typically go - is it just the current tax year or do they dig into multiple years of residency claims? The "duty days" calculation sounds incredibly complex too. Does that mean if a team flies from Florida to California for a game, the travel day counts as California income even though they're just passing through?

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