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Specific Rules for the Other Dependent Credit (ODC) for 2023 Tax Filing

I'm helping out my dad with his taxes this year and trying to make sense of the Other Dependent Credit (ODC) for 2023. Every time I search for information, I just get bombarded with stuff about Child Tax Credit, AOTC, Child and Dependent Care Credit and all that other stuff. Or they're just talking about children in general, which isn't helpful. What I need to know is specifically about claiming an elderly parent as a dependent. My dad has been taking care of my grandmother who lives with him, and I want to make sure he qualifies for the ODC. Here's what I'm trying to figure out for 2023: - Does Social Security income count toward the $4,700 income limit for a dependent? - Does the residency test apply to parents? Like, does she need to have lived with him for a certain amount of time? - Can he claim this if he's Married Filing Separately? Any help would be appreciated! I'm trying to help him get all the credits he's entitled to but the IRS website is so confusing when it comes to this specific credit.

The Other Dependent Credit (ODC) can definitely be confusing since it gets lumped in with other credits a lot. Let me help clear things up for your dad's situation with his elderly parent. For 2023, here's what you need to know about the ODC: Regarding Social Security income - Yes, Social Security benefits DO count toward the $4,700 gross income test for dependents. So if your grandmother received more than $4,700 in Social Security for 2023, she wouldn't meet this test for the ODC. For the residency test - When claiming a parent, the residency test is actually waived! This is one of the exceptions. Your parent does NOT need to live with you for more than half the year to qualify as a dependent for the ODC. However, you still need to provide more than half of their support for the year. Regarding MFS (Married Filing Separately) - Unfortunately, the ODC is not available if your dad files as Married Filing Separately. This is a limitation for this credit. Also, remember that the maximum ODC amount for 2023 is $500 per qualifying dependent, and the dependent must be a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, or U.S. resident alien with a valid SSN or ITIN.

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Emma Morales

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Thanks for the clear explanation! So just to double check - if my mother receives $15,000 in Social Security for the year, even though she lives with me and I pay for everything else (housing, food, medical), I can't claim the ODC for her at all? That seems unfair since Social Security barely covers anything these days. Also, what if she has other income like a small pension? Does that count too?

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Yes, unfortunately if your mother receives $15,000 in Social Security for the year, she would exceed the $4,700 gross income test for 2023, and you wouldn't be able to claim the ODC for her - even if you pay for housing, food, and medical expenses. I agree it can seem unfair, especially with today's costs. Yes, pension income also counts toward the gross income limit. The IRS counts all taxable income, plus tax-exempt interest and Social Security benefits (even the non-taxable portion) when determining if someone meets the gross income test for dependency.

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Donna Cline

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Does it also tell you about other potential deductions beyond just the ODC? My mom has medical expenses I help pay for, and I heard there might be ways to deduct some of those too, but wasn't sure if that's separate from the dependent stuff.

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Donna Cline

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Edwards Hugo

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure your parent has a valid SSN or ITIN to claim the ODC. I got caught by this last year when trying to claim my mother-in-law who recently moved to the US. She had her green card but we hadn't gotten her Social Security card yet, and my tax return got rejected. Also, when calculating whether you provide more than half their support, remember to include fair rental value of lodging if they live with you! That can make a big difference in meeting the support test, especially if their Social Security is close to that 50% threshold.

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Thank you for mentioning this! My grandmother does have a valid SSN, so that's not an issue. But I'm curious about the fair rental value part - how do you determine that? Do you just estimate what it would cost to rent a room in the same house or apartment?

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Edwards Hugo

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You've got it right! To determine fair rental value, you estimate what it would cost to rent a similar room or living space in your area. If she has her own bedroom in your house, you'd look at what it costs to rent a bedroom in a shared house in your neighborhood. If she has her own bathroom or private space too, you can include that in the calculation. You can check local listings for room rentals or shared housing to get an idea. Don't forget to include a fair share of utilities, food, and other household expenses too. Keep documentation of how you calculated this amount in case of questions from the IRS. This fair rental value often makes a significant difference in meeting the "more than half support" test.

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Gianna Scott

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I just finished my taxes using TurboTax and ran into exactly this ODC issue with my elderly mother. When I entered her Social Security income ($16,400), the software automatically determined she didn't qualify for the ODC because of the income limit. However, I was still able to claim her as a dependent for purposes of my filing status (Head of Household) because I provided more than half her support and she lived with me all year. So even though I couldn't get the $500 ODC credit, I still benefited from a better filing status than Single. The support test calculation was tricky - had to add up all medical expenses, food, utilities, etc., plus the rental value portion that someone mentioned above.

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Alfredo Lugo

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Wait, that doesn't sound right. I thought if someone doesn't qualify as your dependent due to the gross income test, you can't claim Head of Household based on them? Can someone clarify this?

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You're absolutely right to question this! There's actually a distinction between qualifying for the ODC and qualifying as a dependent for Head of Household filing status. For the ODC, your dependent must meet the gross income test (under $4,700 for 2023). But for Head of Household qualification, you can have a qualifying person who is your parent even if they exceed the gross income limit, as long as you provide more than half their support and they are your qualifying relative. So @Gianna Scott is correct - her mother can qualify her for Head of Household filing status even though the mother's $16,400 Social Security income disqualifies her from the ODC. The key is that she provided more than half her mother's support and her mother lived with her all year. It's one of those confusing tax situations where different rules apply to different benefits, even when dealing with the same person as your dependent!

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