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Isabella Oliveira

Section 179 deduction for auto purchase over 6,000 lbs - F150 Lightning tax implications

Hey tax folks - hoping someone can point me in the right direction with my Section 179 question! I bought a GMC Hummer EV last year (2023) which has a GVWR well over 8,500 lbs (around 9,200 actually). I've been told this qualifies for Section 179 deduction since it's over that 6,000 lb threshold. What I'm trying to figure out is how long I need to hang onto this vehicle to avoid any depreciation recapture issues. The truck cost me about $110k, and I'm wondering what happens if I sell it in say, 3 years, when it might be worth $45k or so on the market. What kind of tax hit would I be looking at? Is there a certain timeframe where I'm "safe" to sell, or am I better off just keeping this thing forever to avoid complications? Really appreciate any insight from those who've dealt with Section 179 on heavy vehicles! This is for my small consulting business, if that matters.

Ravi Patel

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You've got a good question about Section 179 depreciation recapture. Here's what you need to know in simple terms: When you take Section 179 on a vehicle, you're essentially taking all (or most) of the depreciation upfront instead of spreading it over several years. If you later sell the vehicle for more than its depreciated value (which would be close to $0 if you took the full Section 179 deduction), the difference is subject to depreciation recapture. There's no specific timeframe that makes you "safe" from recapture. It all depends on the selling price compared to the depreciated value. In your example, if you sell the Hummer for $45k after taking a $110k Section 179 deduction, you'd have $45k of recapture income (taxed at ordinary income rates, not capital gains). The longer you keep the vehicle, the lower its market value will likely be, which means less potential recapture. But there's no magic number of years that eliminates recapture completely.

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Thanks for the explanation! So basically if I took the full $110k deduction under Section 179, any amount I sell it for later becomes taxable income? Would that be at my regular income tax rate or something different?

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Ravi Patel

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Yes, you've got it right. Any amount you sell it for would be considered recapture income if you took the full Section 179 deduction. This recapture is taxed at your ordinary income tax rates, not the preferential capital gains rates. The idea is that you got an ordinary income deduction when you purchased it, so the IRS wants to recapture that benefit at the same tax rate when you sell it for more than its depreciated basis.

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Omar Zaki

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Did they actually help with figuring out the specifics of your business use percentage? That's where I'm struggling with my truck. I use it for both personal and business but tracking exactly how much has been a nightmare.

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They actually provide a tracking system that makes logging business vs personal miles much easier. The app lets you categorize trips and automatically calculates your business use percentage which makes documentation so much cleaner at tax time. As for IRS information, yes some basics are available for free, but good luck understanding the nuances of recapture rules with multiple variables. They provided personalized analysis showing exactly how my specific situation would play out with different holding periods and usage patterns. It was worth it for the clarity and confidence alone.

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Omar Zaki

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Diego Flores

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Just a heads up that while Section 179 is great, remember there are annual limits. For 2023, the SUV/truck limit was $28,900 (for vehicles between 6,000-14,000 lbs). You can still depreciate the rest using bonus depreciation, but that's different than Section 179. The recapture rules still apply, but the calculations get a bit more complex when you've used both Section 179 and bonus depreciation. Make sure your tax preparer is accounting for both correctly.

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Wait now I'm confused. I thought trucks over 6,000 lbs like my Hummer EV could get the full Section 179 deduction up to the annual limit ($1,160,000 for 2023)? Are you saying there's a lower limit specifically for vehicles?

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You've hit on an important distinction. SUVs between 6,000-14,000 lbs have the lower Section 179 limit ($28,900 for 2023). However, since you mentioned your Hummer has a GVWR over 8,500 lbs AND it's used for business, it might qualify as a "heavy vehicle" excluded from the passenger automobile limits. Vehicles that qualify as "heavy vehicles" can get higher Section 179 limits. This would include certain trucks with a cargo area at least 6 feet in interior length that's not easily accessible from the passenger area. The rules get quite technical here, which is why it's worth consulting with a tax professional who specializes in vehicle deductions.

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Sean Flanagan

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I think most people overlook that you need to use the vehicle more than 50% for business to claim Section 179. And if business use drops below 50% in a later year, you'll face recapture of the excess deduction. Make sure you keep a mileage log to prove business use!

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Zara Mirza

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What's the easiest way to track business mileage? I've been trying to use a paper logbook but I always forget to update it.

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NebulaNinja

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One more thing to consider - if you trade in the vehicle instead of selling it outright, you may be able to defer the recapture tax. Section 1031 like-kind exchanges no longer apply to personal property like vehicles (changed with 2017 tax law), but there might be other strategies worth exploring with a tax professional.

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That's interesting - so trading in doesn't help avoid recapture anymore? I thought dealerships were still advertising that as a benefit.

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NebulaNinja

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Dealerships often confuse or misrepresent the tax implications. You're right to question it. Since the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, Section 1031 like-kind exchanges only apply to real property (land, buildings), not personal property like vehicles. When you trade in a vehicle now, it's treated as a sale at fair market value, so any recapture would still apply. Dealerships like to emphasize potential sales tax savings on trade-ins (which is still valid in many states), but that's completely separate from income tax and recapture issues.

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Paige Cantoni

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This is a great discussion! One key point I'd add is about documentation. Since you mentioned this is for your consulting business, make sure you're keeping detailed records of not just mileage but also how the vehicle is being used for business purposes. The IRS can be pretty strict about heavy vehicle Section 179 deductions, especially for vehicles that could be considered "luxury" like the Hummer EV. They want to see that it's genuinely necessary for your business operations, not just chosen because of the tax benefits. Also, consider the timing of any potential sale carefully. If your business income fluctuates year to year, you might want to time the sale for a year when you're in a lower tax bracket, since that recapture income will be taxed at ordinary rates. The recapture hits all at once in the year of sale, so it could potentially push you into a higher bracket that year. Have you considered whether keeping it as a business asset and taking regular depreciation going forward might make more sense than selling? Sometimes the simplest path is the best one tax-wise.

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