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Understanding Car Sale Tax Impact after Taking Section 179 + Bonus Depreciation

I'm trying to wrap my head around the depreciation recapture situation for my business vehicle. Back in 2023, I purchased a heavy SUV (over 6,000 pounds) for my construction company. The vehicle cost me $260,000, and I took advantage of Section 179 deduction plus the 80% bonus depreciation in the first year, which came to about $208,000 in total depreciation. I'm now trying to plan ahead and understand the tax implications if I decide to sell this vehicle in the future. Specifically, I'm wondering how depreciation recapture would work in two different scenarios: 1. If I keep the vehicle for 5 years (by which time it would be fully depreciated at 100%) and then sell it, what kind of tax hit would I be looking at? 2. What if I decide to sell it sooner - say after only 3 years of ownership? I've heard about depreciation recapture but don't fully understand how it would apply in these scenarios with the combination of Section 179 and bonus depreciation. Would really appreciate if someone could break this down for me in simple terms!

When you sell a business vehicle that you've taken Section 179 and bonus depreciation on, you'll face what's called "depreciation recapture" which is basically the IRS wanting their money back for the depreciation benefits you claimed. Here's how it works in your scenarios: If you sell after 5 years when it's fully depreciated, any amount you get from selling the vehicle will be considered recaptured depreciation, which is taxed as ordinary income (not at the lower capital gains rate). So if you sell that fully depreciated $260K vehicle for $100K after 5 years, you'd pay ordinary income tax on that entire $100K. For the 3-year scenario, it works similarly but with a slight difference. You'd still face recapture on the difference between your adjusted basis (which would be close to zero since you took such large deductions) and your sale price. The entire sale amount would likely be taxable at ordinary income rates. The key thing to understand is that Section 179 and bonus depreciation give you big tax benefits upfront, but they come with a potential tax bill down the road when you sell. There's no way around the recapture - it's the tradeoff for getting those large upfront deductions.

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Riya Sharma

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Does it matter if they trade the vehicle in rather than selling it outright? I heard something about postponing the recapture if you do a trade-in for another business vehicle.

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Yes, that's a great point! If you do a like-kind exchange (trade-in) for another qualifying business vehicle, you can potentially defer the recapture tax. However, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act limited like-kind exchanges to real property only, but there are still some strategies involving trade-ins that might help. The tax basis of your new vehicle would be adjusted to reflect the deferred gain, so you're not avoiding the tax completely, just postponing it. It's definitely worth consulting with a tax professional about this option when you're close to making the decision.

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Does it account for partial business use too? My SUV is about 80% business and 20% personal, and I'm wondering how recapture works in that scenario.

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Slightly off-topic but has anyone dealt with a situation where they claimed Section 179 on a vehicle and then their business use dropped below 50%? Happened to me last year and I got hit with some unexpected recapture.

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Same thing happened to me! I had to "recapture" a portion of my previous deductions in the year my business use dropped below the threshold. It was a nasty surprise on my taxes - my accountant called it a "Section 179 recapture" which is different from the recapture when you sell.

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Yep, exactly what happened to me too. Had to report the recapture amount as ordinary income in the year the business use dropped. My CPA explained that for Section 179 property, you need to maintain at least 50% business use for the entire recovery period (5 years for vehicles) or you trigger recapture of the "excess" depreciation you claimed. It was a really expensive lesson!

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - have you considered keeping the vehicle for personal use after the business is done with it? That would also trigger recapture because it's considered a "conversion to personal use" but there are some planning strategies around timing.

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This is what my brother did with his construction company truck. He timed the conversion to personal use at the start of a tax year after fully depreciating it. Still had to recapture but it worked out better tax-wise than selling it outright.

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Joshua Hellan

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This is a really complex area of tax law, and I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences! One thing I'd add is that the timing of when you sell can also matter for your overall tax situation. If you're expecting a lower income year, it might make sense to time the sale then since the recapture is taxed as ordinary income. Also worth noting - if you're in a high tax bracket when you sell, that recapture hit is going to be substantial. In your case with $208k in depreciation taken, even selling for a fraction of original value could put you in a tough spot tax-wise. The Section 179 and bonus depreciation are amazing benefits upfront, but they do create this "tax time bomb" down the road. I learned this the hard way with some equipment I sold last year. Definitely plan ahead and maybe set aside some cash for the eventual tax bill if you're planning to sell before the vehicle is completely worthless.

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Dmitry Petrov

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This is such valuable advice about timing the sale strategically! I'm actually in a similar situation with a piece of equipment I took Section 179 on a few years back. Never thought about how my income level in the year of sale would affect the recapture tax burden. The "tax time bomb" analogy really hits home - it's like getting an interest-free loan from the government that you eventually have to pay back, but the payment amount depends on your tax situation when it comes due. Definitely going to start setting aside some money now for that eventual recapture hit. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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The depreciation recapture situation you're describing is definitely something to plan for carefully! One additional consideration that might help with your planning - if you're thinking about selling in the future, you could also look into whether there are any installment sale options available to you. With an installment sale, you can spread the recapture income over multiple years rather than taking the full hit in one tax year. This can be particularly helpful if the recapture would push you into a higher tax bracket. You'd still pay tax on the recaptured depreciation, but it might soften the blow by spreading it out. Also, since you mentioned this is for your construction company, make sure you're tracking the actual business use percentage accurately. If the vehicle ever drops below predominantly business use (below 50%), you could trigger some recapture even before selling, similar to what Victoria mentioned in her comment. Given the substantial amount of depreciation you took ($208k), I'd really recommend running some projections now for different sale scenarios and timeframes. That way you can budget for the tax impact and maybe time the sale strategically based on your other income in that year.

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Kaiya Rivera

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Great point about installment sales! I hadn't considered that option for spreading out the recapture tax burden. That could be a game-changer for someone in @a6594b194df9's situation with such a large depreciation amount. One question though - are there any restrictions on using installment sale treatment specifically for depreciation recapture? I know regular capital gains can be spread out this way, but I'm not sure if the same rules apply to the ordinary income portion from recapture. Would definitely want to verify this with a tax professional before planning around it. Also, the business use tracking point is crucial. I've seen too many people get caught off guard by that 50% rule when their business needs change over time.

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Aaron Boston

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This is exactly the kind of complex tax situation where getting multiple perspectives is so valuable! I've been following this thread and learned a ton from everyone's experiences. One thing I'd add from my own experience with business vehicle depreciation - don't forget to factor in your state tax implications too. Some states have different rules for depreciation recapture, and in my case, my state actually had a lower recapture rate than federal, which helped offset some of the pain. Also, if you're in the construction industry like the original poster, you might want to consider the potential for "like-kind exchanges" if you're planning to replace this vehicle with another qualifying business vehicle. Even though the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act limited like-kind exchanges, there might still be some strategies available for business vehicles depending on your specific situation. The timing advice from Joshua and Evelyn is spot-on - I wish I had planned better when I sold my business truck last year. Ended up paying way more in taxes than I needed to because I sold during a high-income year. Live and learn! Setting aside money now for that future tax bill is definitely the smart move.

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