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Bruno Simmons

Section 179 Depreciation Recapture When Trading in Business Vehicle - Bonus Depreciation Question

I'm planning to purchase a heavy-duty truck (over 6,000 pounds) for my landscaping business. My motivation is twofold: I need a reliable work vehicle and I'd like to reduce my tax liability through business asset depreciation. I'm looking at taking advantage of bonus depreciation for about 75-80% of the vehicle in the first year. Here's my scenario: Let's say I purchase a $165,000 truck with $40,000 down payment and finance the remaining $125,000. By year 2, let's assume I've paid down the loan to around $95,000, but I decide I want to trade this vehicle in for a different business truck. My question is about depreciation recapture: Would I have to pay depreciation recapture tax in this situation, even though I'm trading for another business vehicle? How does this work exactly, especially considering most of the "value" I claimed is still tied to a loan I'm paying off? Does section 179 treatment change how recapture works compared to bonus depreciation? Appreciate any insights from those who've handled similar situations!

The way depreciation recapture works with heavy vehicles is actually pretty straightforward, though it trips up a lot of business owners. If you purchase that $165,000 truck and claim bonus depreciation for 80% (about $132,000) in year 1, that becomes your tax basis adjustment. When you trade or sell that vehicle later, what matters is the difference between your adjusted basis and the sale/trade value. In your scenario, if you trade in the truck in year 2 for, say, $145,000, you'd have a gain of about $112,000 ($145,000 trade value minus your remaining basis of approximately $33,000). This gain would be subject to depreciation recapture rules under Section 1245, taxed as ordinary income, not capital gains. The loan balance doesn't factor into the recapture calculation - it's purely about the depreciation you claimed versus the value when disposed. The IRS doesn't care if you still owe money on it.

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Bruno Simmons

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Thanks for the explanation! So basically it doesn't matter that I'm getting another business vehicle - I'll still get hit with recapture? What if the dealership says the trade-in value is much lower than the actual value? Would that help reduce the recapture amount?

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The fact that you're purchasing another business vehicle doesn't exempt you from depreciation recapture on the disposal of the first vehicle. The two transactions are treated separately for tax purposes. Regarding the dealership valuation, be careful here. The IRS looks at fair market value, not just what a dealership might claim on paper. Artificially lowering the trade-in value while getting compensated in other ways (like a discount on the new vehicle) could be seen as tax avoidance. The total consideration you receive for the trade-in is what matters, not just the stated value.

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Lia Quinn

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One strategy that's worked for me is being more conservative with first-year depreciation. Instead of taking the full 80% bonus depreciation, I take just enough to offset my tax liability to a reasonable level, then depreciate the rest normally over the vehicle's useful life. This approach creates less exposure to massive recapture if you decide to trade in early.

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Haley Stokes

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But aren't you leaving money on the table that way? The whole point of Section 179 and bonus depreciation is to get the tax benefit upfront. Why would you deliberately spread it out?

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Lia Quinn

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It's about balancing immediate tax benefits against future tax exposure. Yes, taking maximum depreciation upfront gives you the largest immediate deduction, but it also creates the largest potential recapture tax later. When I ran the numbers for my business, the "time value of money" benefit from maximum first-year depreciation wasn't worth the massive tax hit when I typically trade vehicles every 2-3 years. By being more conservative, I smooth out both the deductions and potential recapture over time, making cash flow more predictable. It's definitely not the right approach for everyone, but if you regularly upgrade vehicles, it's worth considering.

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Asher Levin

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One thing nobody has mentioned - leasing might be a better option if you plan to upgrade vehicles frequently. No depreciation recapture to worry about since you never owned the asset. Plus you can still deduct the lease payments as a business expense.

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Serene Snow

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Leasing has its own issues though. The payments are often higher than financing, and there are typically mileage restrictions that can be problematic for many businesses. Also, you lose the opportunity for any equity buildup.

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Ryder Ross

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Something to consider that might help with your planning - the recapture calculation gets more complex if you use the vehicle for both business and personal use. If your heavy-duty truck is used 80% for business and 20% personal, only the business portion of the depreciation is subject to recapture rules. Also, keep detailed records of your business mileage and usage from day one. The IRS can challenge your depreciation deductions if you can't prove the business use percentage, which would affect both your original deduction and any recapture calculations later. One more tip: if you're considering the trade-in route, get multiple appraisals for the fair market value before making the deal. Dealerships sometimes manipulate trade-in values to make deals look better, but the IRS will use actual fair market value for recapture calculations, not whatever number appears on the dealer paperwork.

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