Schedule A lines 5b vs 5c - What qualifies as state/local real estate taxes vs personal property taxes?

You're not alone in being confused about this! These two lines on Schedule A are commonly mixed up. Line 5b (State and local real estate taxes) is specifically for taxes assessed on real property like your home, land, condo, etc. This is the annual property tax bill you get from your county or city assessor's office for owning real estate. Line 5c (State and local personal property taxes) is for taxes on personal property, which is basically movable property you own - most commonly vehicles. But there's a catch: only the portion of vehicle registration that's based on the value of your vehicle is deductible here. The flat fees for registration, license plates, etc. aren't deductible. Some states like California clearly break this out as a "Vehicle License Fee" based on value, making it easy to identify. Other items that might qualify for 5c include taxes on boats, RVs, motorcycles, or other personal property that's taxed based on value by your state or local government.

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One important thing to remember about the personal property tax deduction on line 5c: it MUST be based on the value of the property. If your state charges a flat fee for vehicle registration regardless of the car's value, that's not deductible. I learned this the hard way when I got audited in 2023. I had deducted my entire vehicle registration fee in Pennsylvania, but the IRS explained that PA's fee isn't based on the vehicle's value, so it wasn't deductible. Had to pay back the tax plus a small penalty.

Don't forget that there's a $10,000 cap on the total state and local tax (SALT) deduction. This includes state income taxes (or sales taxes if you choose that instead) PLUS your property taxes from both 5b and 5c combined. So if you're already over $10k with just your state income tax and real estate taxes, finding more to add to line 5c won't help your federal return. This is especially important if you live in a high-tax state like NY, CA, NJ, etc.

The $10,000 SALT cap is still in effect for 2025 - there hasn't been any legislation passed to change it yet. The cap was set to expire after 2025 under the original Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, but Congress would need to act to either extend it, modify it, or let it sunset. Some proposals have been floating around to raise the cap to $15,000 or $20,000, or to eliminate it entirely, but nothing has been finalized. Given the political dynamics, it's unlikely we'll see changes before the 2025 filing season. So for now, if you're in a high-tax state and already hitting the $10k limit with income tax and property tax, adding personal property taxes won't provide additional federal benefit - though it's still worth tracking for potential future changes and for state return purposes if your state allows itemized deductions.