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Zoe Stavros

Recharacterized Roth IRA contributions after tax filing deadline - missed the 2023 deadline, what penalties apply?

I need some guidance on my IRA mess. For 2023, I contributed $6,500 to a Roth IRA but just discovered my MAGI was actually over the income limit. I filed my taxes back in February and didn't request an extension. After panicking and doing some research, I went ahead and recharacterized my Roth contributions to a Traditional IRA in May 2024, which included about $580 in gains. Then I did a backdoor conversion back to Roth. Now I'm realizing I missed the tax filing deadline for the recharacterization, which I think was April 15, 2024. So now I'm trying to figure out: - Will I owe the 6% excess contribution penalty since I missed the deadline? - Is my recharacterization and backdoor Roth conversion still valid even though it was late? - Do I need to file an amended return for 2023 now or report this on my 2024 taxes? - Does the tax filing deadline only matter for avoiding penalties, or does it invalidate the whole recharacterization? I'm super stressed about this and don't want to make more mistakes. Any advice would really help!

Jamal Harris

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The recharacterization deadline is indeed the tax filing deadline (including extensions), so you're right that you missed it for 2023 contributions. Here's what you need to know: For the excess contribution, you'll likely owe the 6% excise tax penalty since you didn't correct the excess before the deadline. This penalty applies for each year the excess remains in the account, so you'll report it on Form 5329 with your 2023 taxes (requiring an amendment) and potentially for 2024 as well if not corrected. Your recharacterization is still technically valid even though it was late - the IRS doesn't void the transaction. However, it doesn't eliminate the penalty for the original excess contribution. The gains you mentioned ($580) will need to be reported as income in the year of the recharacterization (2024). The backdoor Roth conversion you did after recharacterizing is also still valid. This will be reported on your 2024 taxes since that's when the conversion occurred. You should file an amended 2023 return to report the excess contribution and pay the 6% penalty. Then on your 2024 return, you'll report both the recharacterization and the conversion.

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Zoe Stavros

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Thanks for the detailed response. So to clarify, I'll need to file a 1040-X with Form 5329 for 2023 to pay the 6% penalty on my $6,500 contribution (so about $390)? And for 2024, since I've now fixed the issue with the recharacterization, I won't owe the penalty again, right? Also, for reporting the recharacterization and conversion on my 2024 taxes, will I need to use Form 8606 to show the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution and the conversion?

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Jamal Harris

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Yes, you'll need to file Form 1040-X along with Form 5329 for 2023 to report the excess contribution and pay the 6% penalty (which would be $390 on $6,500). Since you corrected the issue in 2024 through the recharacterization, you won't owe the penalty again for 2024. For your 2024 taxes, you'll definitely need to file Form 8606 to report the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution and the subsequent conversion to Roth. You'll also need to report the $580 in earnings as income on your 2024 return. Your IRA custodian should provide you with a 1099-R that shows the recharacterization and another 1099-R for the conversion.

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Mei Wong

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GalaxyGlider

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Amara Okafor

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I've heard of these services but am skeptical. Did you actually talk to a real IRS agent who gave you official guidance? I've had "tax pros" give me wrong info before and ended up with penalties.

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Amara Okafor

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Just wanted to update after trying the Claimyr service mentioned above. I was definitely skeptical at first, but my situation with missed Roth recharacterization deadlines was so complicated that I needed official guidance. The service connected me to an IRS tax specialist in about 45 minutes (versus the 3+ hours I spent on hold myself last week before giving up). The agent confirmed exactly what I needed to do - file Form 5329 with my amended return to pay the 6% penalty, and then use Form 8606 to track my non-deductible basis for the backdoor Roth conversion on my 2024 return. The most valuable part was getting confirmation that my late recharacterization was still valid for tax purposes even though it doesn't eliminate the penalty. The agent even sent me the specific IRS publication sections that address my situation. Huge relief to have official guidance instead of just piecing together advice from the internet.

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StarStrider

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Has anyone dealt with the notification you get from your IRA custodian for Form 1099-R after doing a recharacterization? Mine shows distribution code J, but I'm confused about whether this creates a taxable event beyond the penalty for excess contribution.

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Code J on 1099-R just indicates a distribution that's not taxable - it's used for recharacterizations. Your custodian should actually issue TWO 1099-Rs: one for moving money from Roth to Traditional (with code J), and another for the conversion back to Roth (usually with code 2 if you're under 59.5). The recharacterization itself (code J) isn't taxable, but the earnings portion becomes taxable in the year you do the conversion back to Roth. And don't forget you still owe the 6% penalty on Form 5329 for the original excess contribution since you missed the deadline.

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StarStrider

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Thanks for explaining that! So if I understand correctly, the Code J form isn't something I need to worry about from a tax perspective. But I'll need to watch for the second 1099-R for the conversion that'll show my taxable earnings amount. I'm still wondering about the timing though. Since I did both the recharacterization and conversion in 2024, I'll report the earnings as income on my 2024 return, right? But the 6% penalty goes on an amended 2023 return?

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Sofia Torres

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One thing nobody's mentioned - if you don't want to go through amending your 2023 return, there's another way to handle excess Roth contributions. You can actually just leave the excess amount in there and keep paying the 6% penalty each year, OR you can "absorb" the excess by reducing your contribution limit for 2024. For example, if you're eligible to contribute $7,000 in 2024, you could just contribute $500 ($7,000 - $6,500) and the previous year's excess would be absorbed. You'd still pay the 6% for 2023, but then you're back on track without the recharacterization hassle.

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This is actually terrible advice for OP's situation. They've already done the recharacterization and conversion, so attempting to "absorb" the excess now would just create a mess of conflicting transactions. Plus, they'd still need to file Form 5329 for 2023 to pay the 6% penalty anyway, so there's no avoiding the amendment. The excess contribution was already removed through recharacterization (even if it was late), so there's nothing left to "absorb" in 2024. The proper path forward is exactly what others have suggested - amend 2023 to pay the penalty, and properly report the recharacterization and conversion on 2024 taxes.

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation and wanted to share what I learned from my tax attorney. The key thing to understand is that even though you missed the deadline, your recharacterization is still legally valid - it just doesn't eliminate the penalty for the original excess contribution. Here's what you'll need to do: 1. File Form 1040-X to amend your 2023 return, including Form 5329 to pay the 6% excess contribution penalty ($390 on your $6,500) 2. On your 2024 return, you'll report both the recharacterization and the backdoor conversion using Form 8606. The $580 in earnings will be taxable income in 2024. 3. Make sure your IRA custodian coded everything correctly on your 1099-R forms - you should have received separate forms for the recharacterization (code J) and the conversion (typically code 2). The good news is that once you pay the penalty for 2023, you won't owe it again since the excess was corrected through recharacterization. Just make sure to keep detailed records of your basis for future tax years since you'll now have non-deductible traditional IRA contributions on your books. Don't stress too much - this is fixable, just requires the right paperwork!

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