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Question about Estate Tax Return (Form 706) requirements with large DSUE election after parent's passing

My father passed away in 2022 and my mom is still with us. When dad died, no taxable gifts had been made, and we filed Form 706 to elect portability of his entire personal exemption ($12.06M) as the DSUE amount. I'm trying to plan ahead for when mom eventually passes. I understand that Form 706 is required if her estate (plus lifetime taxable gifts) exceeds her personal exemption in the year of her death. But here's my question - if mom's estate does exceed her personal exemption amount, but after applying the DSUE she received from dad, the "effective" taxable estate falls below the exemption threshold (meaning no estate tax would be owed), would we still need to file Form 706? I've read through the IRS guidelines but haven't found anything that clearly addresses this specific scenario. Hoping someone here has experience with this situation or knows the answer. Thanks in advance for any insights!

The answer is yes, you would still need to file Form 706 in this case. The threshold for filing requirement is based on the gross estate plus adjusted taxable gifts, without considering the DSUE amount from your father. The IRS requires Form 706 when the gross estate plus adjusted taxable gifts exceeds the basic exclusion amount in the year of death, regardless of whether applying the DSUE would ultimately result in zero estate tax. This is because the form serves multiple purposes beyond just calculating tax - it provides formal documentation of the estate's assets and their valuation, which the IRS needs for their records. Think of it this way: the DSUE is applied during the calculation process on the form itself, not as a pre-determination of whether the form is needed. The filing threshold is a separate consideration from the tax calculation.

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Does this also apply to state estate taxes? My parents are in New York and I heard the exemption is much lower there. Would we need to file both federal and state returns even if no tax is owed after applying DSUE?

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State estate tax requirements vary by state, and they operate independently from the federal system. New York does indeed have a lower exemption amount than the federal government (currently around $6.11 million), and New York doesn't recognize portability of the deceased spouse's unused exemption like the federal government does. You would need to file a New York estate tax return if the estate exceeds the New York exemption threshold, regardless of whether federal DSUE eliminates federal tax. Each state has its own rules, forms, and filing requirements that must be followed separately from the federal process.

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One thing to consider is that even if filing Form 706 doesn't result in tax due, it provides documentation that protects your family later. My aunt didn't file 706 when my uncle passed (thinking it unnecessary since his estate was under the exemption), but when she passed years later, there were complications with proving basis for inherited assets and questions about prior gifts. The 706, even when no tax is due, creates a clear record of asset values and transfers that can be crucial for future tax situations. It's a pain to complete, but worth it for the peace of mind and future protection.

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Xan Dae

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How much did it cost to have an attorney prepare the 706? I've heard it can be several thousand dollars even for straightforward estates. Wondering if it's worth it when no tax will be owed.

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We paid around $8,000 for the attorney to prepare the Form 706, which included a full inventory and appraisal of assets. This was for a moderately complex estate with some business interests and multiple properties. The cost can vary significantly based on the complexity of the estate and your location. While it seemed expensive at the time, especially since we knew no tax would be due after applying the DSUE, I now view it as insurance against future complications. The step-up in basis alone was worth documenting properly, as it saved significant capital gains taxes when certain assets were later sold. Some attorneys offer more competitive rates for "no-tax-due" 706 filings, so it's worth shopping around.

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Remember that the filing deadline for Form 706 is 9 months after date of death, and you'll need a formal appraisal for any significant assets. Start early! We waited too long and had to file for an extension.

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Thais Soares

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Can confirm this! We scrambled at the last minute and the rush appraisals cost us almost double. Also, make sure to elect portability of any unused exemption even if you don't think the surviving spouse will need it. Tax laws and situations change.

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