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Caden Turner

How to file a tax extension for my deceased mother with potential large 2022 tax bill

I'm trying to figure out how to file a tax extension for my mom who passed away in February 2023. I think I need to use Form 4868, but I'm confused about how to properly fill it out for someone who's deceased. I tried contacting her previous tax preparer but they seem to have gone out of business or moved. I'm currently going through probate since mom didn't leave a will. For context, in 2021 she withdrew about $135,000 from her retirement accounts and ended up owing around $11,000 in taxes. She was on an installment plan and made her final payment right before she passed. For 2022, I'm expecting another significant tax bill because she made additional retirement account withdrawals. I'm not sure: 1) Where on Form 4868 do I indicate this is for a deceased taxpayer? 2) Do I need to include any special documentation? 3) As the executor (still going through probate), am I personally responsible if I mess this up? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm worried about missing deadlines and making this situation worse.

Filing a tax extension for a deceased person can definitely be confusing, but you're on the right track with Form 4868. When filing the extension for your mom, you'll want to write "DECEASED" at the top of the form along with her date of death. You should sign the form as "Personal Representative for [Your Mom's Name]" on the signature line. The extension will give you until October 15th to file her final tax return. For the actual return (when you file it after the extension), you'll need to file Form 1040 and write "DECEASED" at the top with her date of death. You'll sign it as the personal representative. You might also need to submit Form 56 (Notice Concerning Fiduciary Relationship) to let the IRS know you're handling her affairs. Don't worry about personal liability - as long as you're making a good faith effort to handle her taxes properly, you're doing what's required of you as the executor. Just make sure to pay any estimated taxes with the extension to avoid penalties and interest.

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Caden Turner

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Thank you for the guidance! Do I need to include a copy of the death certificate with the extension form? Also, I'm not officially the executor yet since probate is still ongoing - can I still sign as "Personal Representative" or should I wait until I'm legally appointed?

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You don't need to include a copy of the death certificate with the extension form, though you should keep it available as the IRS might request it later when you file the actual return. You can still sign as "Personal Representative" even if probate hasn't been completed. The IRS understands there's often a gap between someone's passing and the formal appointment of an executor. Just make sure to file Form 56 when you do the final return to properly establish the fiduciary relationship.

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Just wanted to add that Form 1310 might also be required when you file the actual return, especially if you're claiming a refund as the survivor. When my husband passed, I got tripped up on this form and it delayed processing by months. Also, don't forget that if your mother was receiving Social Security, there might be tax implications for the last payments she received. And check if there were any required minimum distributions that should have been taken before she passed.

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Caden Turner

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Thanks for mentioning Form 1310 - I hadn't heard of that one. Mom was receiving Social Security and had an IRA. Do you know if the RMD rules still apply in the year of death? And if so, how do I calculate what should have been taken before February?

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Yes, RMD rules still apply in the year of death. For the year your mother died, the RMD would be calculated as if she were still living, so you'd use the standard tables based on her age at the beginning of 2022. For Social Security, you'll receive a 1099-SSA that shows the total benefits paid in her name during 2022. You'll need to include this on her final tax return, but only the payments she received while alive are taxable to her. Any payment received after her death would technically be returned to Social Security, though some survivor benefits might apply to you depending on your situation.

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Something nobody mentioned yet - if your mom owned a home or other property, you might get a step-up in basis, which could be a huge tax advantage. Basically, the value of inherited assets gets "stepped up" to their fair market value at the date of death, which can eliminate capital gains taxes if you sell.

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This is great advice. When my father passed, we had his house appraised right away to establish the stepped-up basis value. Saved us thousands when we sold it a year later. Definitely worth the cost of an appraisal!

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Tyrone Hill

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Don't forget that if your mother was married, her spouse might have special filing options. They can file jointly for the year of death if they haven't remarried before the end of the tax year. This often results in a lower overall tax burden.

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Caden Turner

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She was widowed several years ago, so filing status will be single. Thanks for mentioning it though - I didn't realize a surviving spouse had that option to file jointly in the year of death.

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Yuki Ito

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I went through this exact situation with my father last year and want to emphasize a few important points that might help: First, don't stress too much about the "Personal Representative" signature issue while probate is pending. The IRS is generally understanding about this timing gap, and you can always file an amended return later if needed once you're officially appointed. Second, regarding the estimated payment with your extension - err on the side of caution and pay a bit more rather than less. The IRS charges penalties and interest on underpayments, but they'll refund any overpayment when you file the actual return. Given your mom's history of owing $11k in 2021, I'd estimate conservatively high for 2022. One thing I wish someone had told me: keep meticulous records of everything you pay on behalf of the estate, including any tax payments. You can reimburse yourself from estate funds later, and good documentation makes the probate process much smoother. Also, consider whether your state has any specific requirements for deceased taxpayer filings - some states have different rules than the federal process. You're doing the right thing by being proactive with the extension. Better to file late with an extension than miss the deadline entirely.

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