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How does a widow request deceased spouse's tax information for filing final joint return?

I'm helping my aunt who just lost her husband last month. She needs to file a final joint return for 2023, but my uncle handled all the tax stuff for decades and she has no idea what information she needs or where to find it. She's completely overwhelmed. She doesn't know what forms they usually filed or what income sources my uncle had beyond his pension. I thought I could help her request a wage transcript for my uncle's info, but I'm not sure how to go about it. Can she file a Form 4506-T transcript request herself? Is she allowed to sign it as his widow? I looked into Form 2848 for tax authorization, but does that even apply when the taxpayer is deceased? I also came across Form 56 (Notice Concerning Fiduciary Relationship). Would she need to file that first? She has mobility issues and can't easily go to an IRS office in person, so we need options that can be handled by mail. Any advice would be so appreciated. She's really struggling with all of this on top of her grief.

First, please accept my condolences for your aunt's loss. This is definitely a difficult situation, but there are clear steps she can take. Yes, your aunt can absolutely request her deceased husband's tax information. As the surviving spouse who will be filing a joint return, she has the right to access his tax records. She should use Form 4506-T to request wage and income transcripts. She can sign it herself as the surviving spouse filing a joint return - no need for Form 2848 in this case. On the Form 4506-T, she should include her deceased husband's name, SSN, and date of death. In the signature section, she would sign her own name followed by "surviving spouse." It's helpful to attach a copy of the death certificate to avoid any processing delays. Regarding Form 56 (Notice of Fiduciary Relationship), it's not necessary for a surviving spouse filing a joint return. That form is more commonly used for executors of estates or when someone else is handling tax matters.

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Thanks for this helpful info. One follow-up question - does she need to get his tax records from previous years too, or just for 2023? And what about the actual final tax return - does she just sign it herself or does she need to note that she's signing on his behalf somehow?

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For filing purposes, she only needs the 2023 tax information, though previous years' returns could be helpful as references to see what income sources and deductions they typically claimed. For the final tax return, she would prepare it as a joint return, and in the signature area where her husband would normally sign, she should write "Deceased" and the date of death. Then she signs her own name in her signature area, adding "surviving spouse" after her signature. No additional forms are needed for her to sign the joint return.

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One additional thing your aunt should look into - when my father died, we found it super helpful to get the IRS's Record of Account transcript in addition to the Wage and Income transcript. This shows all activity on the tax account including payments made, refunds issued, etc. You can request this on the same Form 4506-T by checking the appropriate box. Having this complete picture really helped us make sure we weren't missing anything when preparing that final return.

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Does the Record of Account transcript show if there were any installment agreements or outstanding balances? My mom just lost dad and we discovered he might have had some tax payment plan we don't know about.

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Yes, the Record of Account transcript will show any installment agreements, outstanding balances, and payment history. It's basically a complete history of the account's interaction with the IRS. If your dad was on a payment plan, it would definitely show up there along with any remaining balance. It's actually one of the most valuable transcripts for situations like yours because it can reveal financial obligations you might not have been aware of, giving you time to address them properly.

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Important tip: make sure your aunt files the final tax return with "DECEASED" written at the top of the form! We forgot to do this with my dad's final return and it caused a huge delay. Also, if your uncle had any refunds due, your aunt might need to file Form 1310 (Statement of Person Claiming Refund Due a Deceased Taxpayer) along with the tax return. Though sometimes the IRS doesn't require this from surviving spouses filing joint returns, having it ready can prevent delays.

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Is Form 1310 always required? I filed my late husband's return last year as "married filing jointly" and didn't submit that form, but got the refund without issues.

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Just remember that the deadline for filing that final joint return is still the regular tax deadline (April 15th usually, but April 15, 2024 for 2023 returns), unless you file for an extension. Being widowed doesn't automatically extend your filing time. Also, tell your aunt to check if her husband had any traditional IRAs. Those pass to beneficiaries but sometimes have tax consequences that need to be addressed in that final filing year.

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I'm so sorry for your aunt's loss. This is such a difficult time, and dealing with tax matters on top of grief is overwhelming. One thing that might help organize this process: have your aunt gather any tax documents she can find first - last year's tax return, W-2s, 1099s, bank statements showing interest/dividends, etc. Even if incomplete, these will give you a roadmap of what income sources to look for. For the Form 4506-T request, she should request both the "Wage and Income Transcript" and "Account Transcript" for 2023. The wage transcript shows all the 1099s and W-2s filed under his SSN, while the account transcript shows if there were any prior payments or issues with previous returns. Also, don't forget to check if your uncle had any estimated tax payments for 2023 - these would show up on the account transcript and could significantly impact what's owed or refunded. Since she has mobility issues, everything can be done by mail. The IRS typically processes transcript requests within 5-10 business days when mailed. Make sure to include a copy of the death certificate with the Form 4506-T to avoid any delays. Hang in there - once you get the transcripts, the picture will become much clearer about what needs to be filed.

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This is such thorough and compassionate advice. As someone new to this community, I really appreciate how supportive everyone is being during such a difficult situation. One quick question about the estimated tax payments you mentioned - if my aunt finds that her uncle made quarterly payments in 2023, does she need any special documentation of those payments, or will they automatically show up on the account transcript? I'm wondering if she should also look through his checkbook or bank statements for evidence of those payments just in case. Also, when you say to include a copy of the death certificate with Form 4506-T - does it need to be a certified copy, or will a regular photocopy work for transcript requests?

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Welcome to the community! Great questions. The estimated tax payments will automatically show up on the account transcript if they were properly processed by the IRS - you'll see them listed with the dates and amounts. However, it's still a good idea to check his bank statements or checkbook records as backup documentation, especially if there were any payments made close to the end of 2023 that might not have been processed yet. For the death certificate with Form 4506-T, a regular photocopy is typically sufficient for transcript requests. You only usually need certified copies for more complex matters like estate proceedings or when claiming larger refunds. The IRS just needs to verify the death occurred - a clear photocopy should work fine. One more tip: if your aunt finds evidence of estimated payments in his records but they don't show up on the transcript, she can include copies of the canceled checks or bank statements with the final tax return as proof of payment. The IRS can research and apply those payments manually if needed.

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I'm so sorry for your aunt's loss. This is such a challenging situation to navigate while grieving. One important resource that hasn't been mentioned yet is the IRS Taxpayer Advocate Service (TAS). Since your aunt has mobility issues and is dealing with a complex situation involving a deceased spouse, she may qualify for their assistance. TAS is a free service within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems and navigate difficult situations. You can reach TAS at 1-877-777-4778, and they often can help expedite transcript requests or provide guidance on exactly what forms are needed in her specific situation. They're particularly helpful for taxpayers facing hardships, which certainly applies here. Also, if your uncle had any business income (Schedule C), rental properties (Schedule E), or investment accounts, those may require additional forms or have specific reporting requirements that could affect the final return. The transcripts will reveal these, but it's worth mentioning so you're prepared. One more practical tip: when your aunt signs the final joint return, she should use blue ink if possible. The IRS can better distinguish original signatures from photocopies, which can help avoid processing delays. Take care of yourselves during this difficult time. The tax situation will get resolved - focus on supporting your aunt through her grief as well.

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