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Everett Tutum

Estate Tax filing requirements for Spouse after recent death

My mom just lost my stepdad last month (he passed away in November) and I'm trying to help her navigate all the estate and tax stuff. It's pretty overwhelming. Mom is both the main beneficiary and the executor according to the will. Most of their accounts were joint, but my stepdad had a separate account with stock options from his old employer. He exercised a bunch of those options earlier this year (like $35,000 worth) before he died. I'm confused about who's responsible for the taxes on those - does the estate have to pay those taxes or will they become part of mom's 2024 tax return once the account transfers to her after probate? Also wondering about their joint investment account where stepdad was listed as the primary account holder. Will the estate need to handle taxes for that joint account or will mom just include everything on her taxes? We already got an EIN for stepdad's estate from the IRS. I guess I'm just confused about what exactly the estate needs to pay taxes on since almost everything is going to mom, which I think doesn't trigger inheritance tax. Any advice would be super helpful before I spend money on an accountant. Thanks!

Sunny Wang

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I'm sorry for your loss. This can definitely be confusing, but I can help clarify some things. For the stock options that were exercised before your stepdad's passing, those would be reported on a final individual tax return for him (covering Jan 1 until his date of death). This return would be filed by your mom as the surviving spouse, possibly as a joint return depending on her situation. The separate account with the remaining unexercised stock options would get a stepped-up basis to the fair market value as of the date of death. When these assets transfer to your mom, she wouldn't owe taxes on any appreciation that occurred during your stepdad's lifetime. For the joint brokerage account, since it was held jointly with right of survivorship, it typically passes outside of probate directly to your mom. She would report any income generated from this account after his death on her own tax return. The estate EIN would be used for filing Form 1041 (estate income tax return) if the estate generates more than $600 in income during the administration period before assets are distributed to beneficiaries. It's separate from the final individual return. And you're right - transfers to a surviving spouse generally qualify for the unlimited marital deduction, meaning no federal estate tax would be due regardless of the estate's size.

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Everett Tutum

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Thanks for explaining! What about any income that the stock account earned between his death and when it actually gets transferred to mom? Is that considered estate income that uses the EIN? Also, for the final individual tax return, would mom file that as "married filing jointly" even though he's passed away? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get clear on everything.

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Sunny Wang

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Any income generated by the stock account between the date of death and the date the assets are distributed to your mom would indeed be considered income to the estate. This is where the EIN comes in - that income would be reported on Form 1041 (the estate's income tax return). Yes, your mom can still file as "married filing jointly" for the year your stepdad passed away. The IRS allows this option for the year of death, which often provides better tax benefits than filing separately. She would essentially prepare the return as normal, but would write "Deceased" after your stepdad's name and include the date of death.

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Eve Freeman

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Don't overlook state estate taxes too! Federal estate tax has a high exemption amount ($12.92 million for 2023), but some states have much lower thresholds. I learned this the hard way with my mother's estate - we were under the federal limit but got hit with a state estate tax bill we weren't expecting.

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Everett Tutum

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Good point - what states have their own estate taxes? We're in Michigan if that matters.

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Eve Freeman

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As of 2023, twelve states plus DC have estate taxes: Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia. Michigan doesn't have a state estate tax, so you're fortunate there! The exemption thresholds vary widely - Massachusetts and Oregon have exemptions as low as $1 million, while states like Hawaii align more closely with the federal exemption. If your stepdad owned property in any of these states, you might still need to file a state estate tax return, even if most assets were in Michigan.

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Consider opening a separate bank account for the estate using that EIN. It helps keep the estate finances completely separate and makes accounting much easier. We made the mistake of trying to track estate expenses through my mom's personal account after dad died, and it created a huge mess at tax time.

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Caden Turner

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100% agree with this. When my husband died, having a separate estate account made everything so much clearer. Also made it easier to show the court during probate that I was handling things properly.

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Everett Tutum

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That's really helpful advice! I'll talk to mom about setting up a dedicated account with the EIN. Better to keep things organized from the start than trying to untangle them later.

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