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Personal Representative paid probate attorney fees from personal account - can estate deduct on 1041?

My mom is the Personal Representative for my dad's estate and was the sole beneficiary. The estate went through probate and was finally settled in 2023 (dad passed away in 2022). We're now trying to figure out how to handle the final tax filing for the 1041. Here's where things get complicated - Mom paid the final probate attorney fees (around $7,600) out of her personal checking account in 2023. The attorneys wouldn't allow her to use the estate's bank account for some reason, even though she asked multiple times. My main question is: Can these attorney fees be deducted on the estate's final 1041 to increase the pass through loss on the K-1 form so she can use it on her personal 1040? Or would she have needed to be officially "reimbursed" by the estate first to claim this deduction? If we can't include these fees on the 1041, is there anywhere on her personal tax return where she can deduct them? I'm trying to help her figure this out before the filing deadline. Thanks for any advice!

Sarah Jones

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The attorney fees your mom paid as Personal Representative can absolutely be deducted on the estate's final Form 1041, even though she paid them from her personal account. These are considered expenses of administration that benefited the estate, so they're properly deductible on the estate tax return. The key here is documentation. Make sure your mom keeps receipts showing she paid these expenses in her capacity as Personal Representative. It's not necessary for her to have been "reimbursed" by the estate - the IRS recognizes that PRs sometimes pay expenses personally. When completing the 1041, these expenses would typically be deducted on Line 14 (Fiduciary fees) or Line 15 (Other deductions). This will indeed flow through to the K-1 and ultimately benefit your mom on her personal return.

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Thank you for the clear answer! One follow-up question - does it matter that the estate was actually closed before these final attorney fees were paid? The final distribution happened in October, but the attorney didn't send their final bill until December. Would this timing issue change anything?

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Sarah Jones

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The timing doesn't change the deductibility of the expenses. Even though the estate made its final distribution before the attorney fees were paid, those fees were still for services rendered to administer the estate properly, so they remain deductible on the 1041. What matters is that the expenses were incurred as part of the estate administration process, not exactly when they were paid. Just make sure you file the final 1041 with these expenses included before the deadline. The IRS understands that final expenses often come in after distributions.

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Mason Kaczka

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Something else to consider - if the attorney fees were related to tax advice or preparation of the estate tax return, they might qualify for deduction on Schedule A of your mom's personal return as a miscellaneous itemized deduction subject to the 2% AGI floor. This would only be relevant if for some reason you couldn't deduct them on the 1041. But from what you've described, they should definitely go on the 1041 as administrative expenses.

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Drake

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Thank you for mentioning this! I wasn't aware of the potential Schedule A option. Although I think from what everyone's saying, we should be able to include these on the 1041. Is there any downside to deducting them on the 1041 versus her personal return if both are options?

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Mason Kaczka

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Deducting on the 1041 is almost always more advantageous. The pass-through loss on the K-1 will offset your mom's income dollar-for-dollar without being subject to the 2% AGI limitation that would apply on Schedule A. Plus, the TCJA suspended miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% floor through 2025 anyway, so currently these expenses wouldn't be deductible on Schedule A at all. The 1041 deduction is clearly the better option here since it will flow through to her 1040 via the K-1.

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Sophia Russo

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Don't forget that this needs to be the FINAL 1041 with the "Final Return" box checked. Many executors miss this and end up getting notices from the IRS asking for returns for subsequent years. Also make sure Form 56 (Notice Concerning Fiduciary Relationship) is filed showing the termination of the fiduciary relationship.

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Evelyn Xu

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Is Form 56 always required? I settled my grandmother's estate last year and our attorney never mentioned this form.

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Ella Lewis

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Just to add another perspective - make sure you have clear documentation showing your mom was acting in her capacity as Personal Representative when she paid these fees. A simple letter or memo to the file stating something like "Paid attorney fees of $7,600 on behalf of [Estate Name] from personal funds due to bank restrictions" can be helpful documentation. Also, when you enter these on the 1041, you might want to attach a brief statement explaining the circumstances (that the estate's bank wouldn't allow the payment but the PR paid personally). This isn't required, but it can prevent questions later if the IRS reviews the return. The good news is that since your mom was the sole beneficiary, this is really just a timing difference - the money was always going to come out of "her" funds eventually anyway, whether directly from the estate account or indirectly through her inheritance.

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Aisha Mahmood

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This is really helpful documentation advice! I'm new to dealing with estate taxes and hadn't thought about creating a paper trail for expenses paid personally. Would you recommend keeping copies of the canceled checks or bank statements showing the payments as well? I want to make sure we have everything properly documented in case there are any questions down the road.

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