Personal holding company for expat moving abroad - tax strategy?
I'm planning to relocate to Norway in the next few years as my wife is Norwegian. Currently working in the US while my wife isn't employed, and I'm approaching potential retirement age. I've been researching Norwegian tax laws and honestly, they're pretty intimidating: - They impose a 1.1% annual wealth tax on worldwide assets - They tax UNREALIZED capital gains on stocks I'm seriously concerned that moving there could significantly damage my retirement savings due to these aggressive tax policies. Recently, I've had a couple people suggest establishing a personal holding company here in the US and then paying myself a salary while living in Norway as a potential strategy to minimize exposure to these wealth and capital gains taxes. I'd still pay income tax, of course. The problem is, I have almost zero knowledge about personal holding companies or how they actually work. I'm planning to consult with a tax attorney soon, but wanted to start gathering some basic information myself. Does anyone have experience with personal holding companies in an international context? Is this a legitimate strategy for my situation or completely misguided? Any insights would be helpful before I meet with professionals. Thanks in advance for any guidance!
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Emma Garcia
This is actually a common concern for Americans moving to high-tax countries. Personal holding companies can be complicated, especially in an international context. First, understand that a personal holding company (PHC) is a corporation where 5 or fewer individuals own more than 50% of the stock and at least 60% of the income is from passive sources like dividends, interest, and royalties. These have specific tax implications under US law. What your contacts might be suggesting is using a corporate structure to hold your assets rather than owning them personally. This could potentially create some separation between you and the assets for Norwegian tax purposes, but there are significant complications. The biggest issue is that both countries have anti-avoidance rules specifically designed to prevent this kind of planning. Norway has CFC (Controlled Foreign Corporation) rules that might look through your company structure. The US has its own set of complex rules for foreign income.
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Ava Kim
•Thanks for explaining. Would this plan trigger the US exit tax if OP moves permanently to Norway? Also, wouldn't Norway's tax treaties with the US potentially make this strategy ineffective?
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Emma Garcia
•The US exit tax typically applies if you renounce US citizenship after meeting certain net worth or tax liability thresholds - it's not automatically triggered just by moving abroad. You'd still be a US citizen with tax obligations to the US government regardless of where you live. Regarding tax treaties, you're absolutely right that the US-Norway tax treaty would be highly relevant here. Most modern tax treaties have provisions to prevent exactly this kind of planning. The treaty has specific articles addressing company structures used primarily for tax avoidance purposes, which could potentially invalidate any tax benefits from this arrangement.
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Ethan Anderson
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Layla Mendes
•How exactly does taxr.ai handle multi-country tax analysis? Does it consider tax treaties between specific countries or just general principles? I'm considering moving to Germany and wondering if it would be helpful for my situation too.
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Lucas Notre-Dame
•I'm skeptical about any service claiming to solve complex international tax problems. Did they actually have experts familiar with Norwegian tax law specifically? Those wealth tax rules are pretty unique to Nordic countries.
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Ethan Anderson
•They actually have country-specific analysis for major expatriate destinations including Norway and Germany. Their system examines the specific tax treaties between your home country and destination country, highlighting provisions that might affect your situation. They don't just apply general principles - they identify the exact articles in the relevant tax treaties that could impact your planning. For Nordic countries specifically, they had detailed information about wealth taxes and how various corporate structures are treated. Their analysis included specific references to Norwegian tax code provisions and recent tax authority rulings on foreign holding companies.
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Layla Mendes
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Aria Park
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Noah Ali
•Wait how does this actually work? How can they get you through when the IRS phone lines are completely jammed? I've tried calling the international tax department multiple times and always get disconnected after waiting for hours.
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Chloe Boulanger
•Sounds like BS honestly. The IRS doesn't give tax planning advice even if you do reach them. They'll just refer you to a professional or the tax code. I doubt they'd advise on Norwegian tax implications.
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Aria Park
•It's a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When someone at the IRS finally answers, you get a call connecting you directly to them. It's not magic - they're just handling the waiting process so you don't have to sit on hold for hours. You're right that the IRS won't give direct tax planning advice, but they absolutely will explain how certain US tax provisions work in international contexts. In my case, they clarified exactly how my foreign entity would be reported on US returns and which forms would be required. This information was essential for my tax planning, even though I still needed my accountant to develop the actual strategy.
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Chloe Boulanger
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James Martinez
I've lived as an American in Norway for 12 years. The holding company strategy is technically possible but extremely difficult to execute properly. Norway's tax authorities are sophisticated and aggressive about looking through entities to find the beneficial owner. If they determine the company exists primarily for tax avoidance, they'll disregard it entirely. Even if you do this perfectly, you'll face: 1. Complex US international reporting (Form 5471, FBAR, etc.) 2. Norwegian CFC rules that may tax you anyway 3. Potential double taxation issues 4. Extremely high compliance costs I ended up reorganizing my assets in a way that worked with both systems rather than trying to avoid Norwegian taxes. Less stressful and actually cheaper in the long run than fighting the system.
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Aiden Rodríguez
•Thanks for sharing your real experience! I'm curious, did you find any legitimate strategies that helped minimize the impact of the wealth tax without crossing into avoidance territory? And what about the unrealized capital gains issue?
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James Martinez
•I found that Norway has some tax-advantaged investment accounts that can help mitigate some issues. Look into the "aksjesparekonto" (ASK) which provides a tax-deferred environment for certain investments - it doesn't eliminate taxes but can improve your situation by deferring some taxation. For unrealized gains, I restructured my portfolio to focus more on dividend-producing investments rather than growth stocks, since you're getting taxed on the paper gains anyway. This way I at least had cash flow to help pay the taxes. I also strategically realized some gains before moving to Norway to reset my cost basis and reduce future unrealized gain exposure.
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Olivia Harris
Has anyone actually used a US LLC as a holding company while living abroad? I heard Wyoming or South Dakota might be good states for this because they have strong asset protection and privacy laws.
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Alexander Zeus
•I used a Wyoming LLC while living in Germany for 3 years. The structure itself worked fine from a US perspective, but Germany still considered me the beneficial owner of all the assets and income. Most European countries have specific provisions to address this exact situation.
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Olivia Harris
•Thanks for sharing your experience. Did that end up creating more complications than it was worth? I'm trying to figure out if the compliance costs and headaches would outweigh any potential benefits.
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Alicia Stern
Consider consulting with someone who specializes in both US and Norwegian tax law - probably a firm with international offices. This is complex enough that general advice online could lead you astray. Also look into Norway's pension system advantages that might offset some of the tax burden. Their system is quite generous in some ways that might surprise you.
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Aidan Hudson
I've been through a similar situation when my spouse and I were considering a move to Sweden (which has comparable wealth tax policies). The holding company route seems attractive on the surface, but there are some serious pitfalls to consider. One major issue that hasn't been fully addressed here is the potential for deemed distributions under US tax law. If your holding company is classified as a Personal Holding Company (PHC), you could face undistributed personal holding company income tax at 20% on top of regular corporate taxes. This essentially forces you to distribute the income anyway, defeating much of the purpose. Additionally, Norway's "skatteflukt" (tax avoidance) rules are extremely broad and give their tax authorities significant discretion to disregard structures they view as primarily tax-motivated. I've seen cases where they've successfully challenged much more sophisticated arrangements than a simple US holding company. Before you invest time and money in this strategy, I'd strongly recommend getting a formal tax opinion from a firm that has actual experience with US-Norway tax issues, not just general international tax knowledge. The stakes are too high to rely on theoretical advice. Have you considered whether the timing of your move might allow you to restructure your investments beforehand to minimize the wealth tax impact? Sometimes the simplest approaches are the most effective.
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Freya Christensen
•This is really helpful insight about the PHC tax implications - I hadn't considered that angle at all. The 20% undistributed income tax on top of regular corporate taxes would definitely eat into any potential benefits. Your point about restructuring investments before the move is interesting. Are you thinking about realizing gains while still a US tax resident to step up the cost basis, or more about changing the types of investments to minimize wealth tax exposure? I'm wondering if there are specific asset classes that Norway treats more favorably for wealth tax purposes. Also, do you happen to know if the "skatteflukt" rules have specific safe harbors or tests, or is it really just at the discretion of the tax authorities? That level of uncertainty would make planning extremely difficult.
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