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Amara Torres

Payroll error prevented my 401k deferrals all year - need advice on QNEC eligibility

I just found out my employer completely messed up my 401k contributions for the entire year. Despite setting up my deferrals correctly in Fidelity to max out my 401k (and get company match), NONE of my elections were actually processed. I have literally one paycheck left for the year, and now I'm screwed. The craziest part? I'm apparently the only person in my entire company (over 1200 employees) who had this happen. After doing some research, I think I'm entitled to a QNEC (Qualified Non-Elective Contribution) from my employer. Looking at the IRS Plan Fix-it Guide, a couple scenarios seem to apply: - "You haven't timely deposited employee elective deferrals" - "Eligible employees weren't given the opportunity to make an elective deferral election" There's even a specific example on the IRS site that's basically identical to my situation where an employee's deferral election wasn't processed by payroll. When I brought this up to our benefits team, they claimed I don't qualify for a QNEC because "no deductions were taken from my pay." But that's literally the whole problem! My elections weren't processed! They explained that during an end-of-year audit, they found that a note had been added to my account in 2023 to prevent exceeding the maximum contribution. Somehow this note wasn't removed for 2024, so the system incorrectly showed I'd reached my contribution goal when I hadn't contributed anything. I've already called the IRS Tax Law department (they said it's outside their scope) and contacted my CPA. I'm considering consulting an ERISA lawyer, but I don't really want to sue my employer if I can avoid it. Does anyone know definitively if my employer is responsible for a QNEC in this situation? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

This is definitely an employer error that needs to be corrected. When you make a valid deferral election and the employer fails to implement it properly, they're typically required to make a QNEC to make you whole. What your benefits team told you is incorrect. The fact that no deductions were taken is precisely why you're entitled to a QNEC. The purpose of a QNEC is to correct situations exactly like yours - where an employee made a proper election but the employer failed to implement it. In your situation, the employer should make a QNEC equal to what you would have contributed plus what you would have earned if the contributions had been made on time. They should also contribute the matching contributions you would have received plus earnings. I would recommend documenting everything carefully - your original election, when you discovered the error, all communications with the benefits team. Then escalate this to a higher level in HR or even the CFO's office, as this is a compliance issue that could affect the qualified status of their entire plan.

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The QNEC will maintain the tax advantages for you - it goes into the plan as a pre-tax contribution just like your normal deferrals would have. The earnings portion also grows tax-deferred within the plan. The main difference is that the contribution comes from your employer rather than being deducted from your pay. Talking to the plan administrator could be helpful, but they often defer to the employer on these issues. I'd recommend escalating within your company first - try reaching out to the head of HR or benefits with a clear explanation of the error and reference to the IRS guidance. If that doesn't work, then contacting the plan administrator might give you additional leverage.

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Mason Kaczka

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Thanks for the detailed response. Quick question - if they do make the QNEC, will I still get the tax advantages I would have had if the contributions were made properly throughout the year? And should I be talking to the plan administrator directly instead of just the benefits team?

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The QNEC will maintain the tax advantages for you - it goes into the plan as a pre-tax contribution just like your normal deferrals would have. The earnings portion also grows tax-deferred within the plan. The main difference is that the contribution comes from your employer rather than being deducted from your pay. Talking to the plan

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Grace Lee

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I'm a benefits manager (not at your company) and want to offer some insight. Your employer is 100% responsible for a QNEC in this situation. Their response about "no deductions were taken" shows they don't understand how QNECs work. The IRS has a correction program called EPCRS (Employee Plans Compliance Resolution System) specifically for these situations. Under this program, when an employee's valid deferral election isn't implemented, the employer must make a QNEC equal to 50% of the missed deferral opportunity PLUS the full matching contribution you would have received. For example, if you elected to defer 10% of your $100,000 salary, your missed deferral opportunity is $10,000. The employer would owe a QNEC of $5,000 (50% of $10,000) plus whatever match you would have received on the full $10,000, PLUS earnings on both amounts. If they refuse to correct this properly, they risk disqualification of their entire 401k plan, which would be a huge tax problem for ALL participants and the company. I would recommend escalating this to the CFO or whoever oversees benefits, as it's a serious compliance issue.

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Amara Torres

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Thank you so much for this detailed explanation! That's exactly the kind of specific information I was looking for. I'm going to calculate these numbers precisely and present them to our CFO directly, since the benefits team seems confused about how this works. One final question - the error happened because of that system note from 2023 that wasn't removed. Does the fact that it was a system/technical error rather than someone deliberately excluding me change anything about their obligation?

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Grace Lee

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The cause of the error doesn't change the employer's obligation at all. Whether it was a system glitch, human error, or any other reason doesn't matter under IRS rules. The only thing that matters is: you made a valid election, and they failed to implement it. The EPCRS program is designed to be a no-fault correction system. The focus is entirely on fixing the problem, not assigning blame. In fact, employers who self-correct these issues promptly often face reduced penalties or no penalties at all. That's why it's actually in your employer's best interest to make this right quickly rather than fighting it.

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Mia Roberts

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I'm really confused about one thing - you said you had your deferrals set up correctly in Fidelity, but nothing was actually deducted from your paychecks all year. Didn't you notice this on your pay stubs? I always check mine to make sure the right amount is coming out each pay period.

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The Boss

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Not everyone checks their pay stubs regularly, especially with direct deposit. I've gone months without looking at mine because everything is automated. Plus, if the OP's take-home pay was consistent from month to month, there might not have been an obvious red flag that something was wrong.

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Amara Torres

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To be honest, I didn't notice. I set everything up at the beginning of the year and assumed it was working correctly. My take-home pay was consistent with what I expected (I had accounted for the 401k deductions when budgeting), and I rarely log into Fidelity to check the actual account. It was only during the end-of-year audit that anyone caught this. I definitely learned my lesson about monitoring things more closely though. I'm now checking my pay stubs and retirement accounts monthly to make sure everything is working as it should.

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Javier Torres

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This is a clear-cut case where your employer owes you a QNEC. I work in retirement plan administration and see these situations regularly. The benefits team's response about "no deductions were taken" completely misses the point - that's exactly why a QNEC exists. Your employer has a fiduciary duty to implement valid deferral elections properly. When they fail to do so due to system errors, administrative mistakes, or any other reason, they must make participants whole through the EPCRS correction procedures. I'd recommend putting together a formal written request that includes: 1. Documentation of your original deferral election 2. Evidence that no contributions were made despite the valid election 3. Reference to IRS Revenue Procedure 2021-30 (the current EPCRS guidelines) 4. A calculation of what you're owed (missed deferrals + match + earnings) Send this directly to your CFO or plan administrator, not just the benefits team. Most employers will correct these issues promptly once they understand the compliance implications. The cost of a QNEC is far less than the potential penalties and plan disqualification risks they face for not correcting it. If they continue to resist, mention that you're considering filing a complaint with the Department of Labor's Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA). That usually gets their attention quickly.

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Danielle Mays

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for laying out the specific steps and documentation needed. I'm particularly glad you mentioned Revenue Procedure 2021-30, as having the exact IRS guidance to reference will make my case much stronger. Quick question about the calculation - when you mention "earnings" on the missed contributions, how is that typically calculated? Is it based on the actual performance of the investment options I selected, or some standard rate? I want to make sure I'm requesting the correct amount when I escalate this to the CFO. Also, the mention of EBSA as a potential escalation path is really valuable. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but it's good to know there's an official avenue if my employer continues to stonewall this.

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