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Javier Cruz

Tax Withholding Calculation on Non-qualified Deferred Compensation Distribution - Seems Wrong?

Hey fellow tax warriors, I'm hoping someone can help with a weird tax withholding situation on my NQDC plan. I retired from a big consulting firm back in 2021 and had a good chunk of money in their non-qualified deferred compensation plan. My payout is structured over 10 years with annual payments of about $165k. The first payment in 2023 went fine, but this year (2024) something bizarre happened. The company calculated my tax withholding as if I was receiving 24 payments throughout the year instead of the single annual payment I actually get. This made it look like I was earning $3.9 million annually, and they withheld taxes at that rate! This resulted in about $53k of excess withholding that I won't see until filing my taxes in 2025. I challenged this through their claims process, and they just sent me a copy of worksheet 1A from IRS publication 15T showing they used 24 payments in Step 1b to calculate the withholding. But I only receive ONE payment per year, not 24! This seems completely wrong - I'm not earning millions, and now I'm out $53k for over a year until I file my 2024 taxes. I'm worried this will trigger an IRS audit, and I'm concerned they'll keep doing this for the remaining 8 years of payouts. Nothing in the plan document mentioned this bizarre tax treatment. Is there any tax code that allows them to calculate withholding this way? Do I have grounds to file a complaint with the IRS or DOL? I can't imagine other plan participants are getting hit like this.

Emma Wilson

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You've got a legitimate concern here. What's happening is your former employer is using the "aggregate method" for calculating withholding on your NQDC distribution, which is treating your single annual payment as if it were a regular paycheck in their payroll system. When they use worksheet 1A from Pub 15T, they're essentially annualizing your single payment by multiplying it by your pay frequency (which they're setting at 24, as if you were paid semi-monthly). This is why it appears like you're earning millions - they're taking your $165k payment and extrapolating it across 24 pay periods. The good news is there's a better method they could be using called the "flat rate method" which would apply a standard 22% federal withholding (37% for amounts over $1 million) for supplemental wages. This would be more appropriate for your situation. I'd suggest contacting your former employer's payroll department directly (not just through the claims process) and specifically ask why they're not using the flat rate method for supplemental wages on your NQDC distribution. Reference IRS Publication 15 (Circular E), which outlines the appropriate withholding methods for supplemental wages.

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Javier Cruz

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Thanks for this explanation! I had no idea about the "aggregate method" vs "flat rate method" difference. Does the employer have a legal obligation to use the more appropriate method? And would showing them Publication 15 be enough to get them to change their approach, or are they technically allowed to choose either method?

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Emma Wilson

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Employers generally have discretion to choose which withholding method they use. The aggregate method is technically allowed, but it's typically not appropriate for one-off annual payments like yours. Publication 15 does provide guidance, but it doesn't mandate which method must be used in specific situations. Your best approach is to make a business case that the flat rate method more accurately reflects your tax situation and prevents unnecessary financial hardship. Frame it as a reasonable accommodation for a former employee rather than a regulatory violation.

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Malik Thomas

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NeonNebula

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Does this service actually work with NQDC specifically? My situation is similar but with qualified plan distributions and I'm wondering if it would help me too. Did they provide specific language you could use when contacting your former employer?

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I'm skeptical about these online tools. How exactly did they help you resolve the situation? Did your employer actually change their withholding method after you contacted them with this information?

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Malik Thomas

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Yes, the service specifically handles NQDC issues - that's actually one of their specialties. It analyzes the plan documents, payment schedules, and withholding calculations to identify issues. It would absolutely work for qualified plan distributions too. They provided me with exact language citing IRS Revenue Procedure 2014-61 and specific sections of Publication 15 that applied to my situation. This made a huge difference when contacting my former employer's benefits department. To address your skepticism, in my case, the employer did change their withholding method after I presented the documentation the tool helped me prepare. They actually thanked me for bringing it to their attention since their payroll system had been automatically applying the wrong method to several retirees. The key was having the specific regulatory citations rather than just complaining about high withholding.

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I was initially skeptical about these tax analysis tools, but I decided to try taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. I'm glad I did - turns out my NQDC distribution was also being incorrectly withheld using the aggregate method when the flat rate would have been more appropriate. The tool provided me with specific IRS references (particularly helpful was the explanation of supplemental wage rules in Publication 15 Section 7) that I used when contacting my former employer. Their benefits department actually acknowledged the issue and updated their withholding method for my next distribution. What surprised me most was discovering that this wasn't just affecting me - apparently it's a common payroll system configuration that affects many NQDC participants, but most people never question it and just wait for their tax refund. I saved about $32k from being unnecessarily withheld this year!

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Ravi Malhotra

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How does this service actually work? I've been trying to reach the IRS for weeks about a similar issue with supplemental wage withholding and just keep getting the runaround or disconnected.

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Omar Farouk

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Ravi Malhotra

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Omar Farouk

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I've gone from skeptic to believer regarding Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I was still desperate enough to try it because I had a similar NQDC withholding issue that I couldn't resolve. The service actually worked! I was connected to an IRS representative in about 45 minutes (which is still incredible compared to the hours I spent previously). The agent transferred me to someone in their employment tax division who confirmed that while employers can choose their withholding method, using the aggregate method for once-a-year NQDC payments is unusual and potentially problematic. Armed with this information and the specific IRS manual references the agent provided, I wrote a formal letter to my former employer's benefits department. Two weeks later, they responded that they would switch to the flat rate method for my future distributions. Saved me approximately $38k in overwithholding this year alone - well worth getting past my initial skepticism!

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Chloe Davis

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Another option to consider is filing Form W-4V to elect voluntary additional withholding. If they won't change their method, you could potentially offset their excessive withholding by claiming more allowances. Not ideal, but might help mitigate the overwithholding problem. Also, if this continues, you might want to adjust your quarterly estimated tax payments to account for the expected refund. This could help with your cash flow throughout the year rather than waiting for a large refund.

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Javier Cruz

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Wouldn't filing Form W-4V only work for certain government payments? My NQDC is from a private employer. And for the quarterly estimated payments - wouldn't I potentially face underpayment penalties if I reduce them too much, even if I know I'll get a big refund later?

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Chloe Davis

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You're absolutely right about Form W-4V - I misspoke. For employer payments, you'd use a regular Form W-4. My apologies for the confusion! Regarding estimated tax payments, you're also correct to be concerned about underpayment penalties. However, the IRS has a "safe harbor" provision - if you pay at least 90% of the current year's tax or 100% of the prior year's tax (110% if your AGI exceeds $150,000), you won't face penalties. So you could potentially use last year's tax liability as your guide for this year's payments, taking into account the expected overwithholding from your NQDC distribution.

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AstroAlpha

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Has anyone considered that the employer might actually be required to withhold at this rate? I work in payroll (different industry) and sometimes supplemental wages above certain thresholds have mandatory withholding requirements that can't be adjusted, especially for high-income earners. Just wondering if this might be a compliance thing rather than a mistake.

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Diego Chavez

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That's not accurate for NQDC distributions. While there are mandatory withholding rates for some supplemental wages (like bonuses), NQDC distributions definitely allow for either the aggregate method or the flat rate method. The issue here is that the employer is choosing the method that creates an artificially high withholding rate by annualizing a single payment. The mandatory withholding for supplemental wages over $1 million is 37%, but that's only for the portion above $1M. For someone receiving $165k annually, that's not even relevant.

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