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Connor Rupert

Need help with deceased father who hasn't filed taxes in 17+ years - all cash income, no paper trail

I'm completely overwhelmed trying to figure out what to do. My father passed away in February and I've been named the representative of his estate. I just discovered that he apparently hasn't filed income taxes since around 2006 according to his longtime partner. He was self-employed for about 45 years running his own small business. The thing is, he operated almost entirely in cash - paid suppliers in cash, took payment in cash, and had just one credit card that he also paid off with cash withdrawals. No checking accounts, no savings accounts, nothing. The only bank he ever had a relationship with has been acquired three times in the last decade, so I have no idea if I can even track down documentation about his old mortgage. There's basically zero paper trail of any income sources. No loans since probably 2003. Everything he owned was completely paid off at the time of his death. I think I need to file his final tax return as the estate representative, but what about all those unfiled returns? How far back do I need to go? What should be my first step in tackling this situation? Do I need to find a specialized tax attorney? I have no experience with anything like this and I'm totally lost.

Molly Hansen

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I'm a tax resolution specialist and have handled many cases like this. First, take a deep breath - this isn't as uncommon as you might think. For the final tax return, you'll need to file a Form 1040 for the portion of the year your father was alive (January through February). This is filed with "Deceased" written after his name along with Form 56 to establish yourself as the fiduciary. Regarding the unfiled returns, the IRS generally has a 6-year lookback period for significant omissions of income and can pursue collection for up to 10 years from assessment date. In practice, they rarely go back more than 6 years unless fraud is involved. Your first step should be requesting your father's tax transcripts from the IRS using Form 4506-T to see what income was reported to the IRS (from any 1099s or W-2s that might exist). The cash-only lifestyle complicates things, but the IRS would need to prove income to assess taxes. They might look at lifestyle and assets, but without paper trails, it's very difficult. A tax attorney would be helpful, especially if large sums or valuable assets are involved.

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Connor Rupert

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Thank you for this detailed response. I had no idea I could request his tax transcripts - that's really helpful. Is there a specific type of tax attorney I should look for? And what happens if we simply can't determine his income for those years given the cash situation?

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Molly Hansen

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You'll want to look for a tax attorney who specializes in "back tax issues" or "unfiled returns" - ideally someone with experience handling estates. Many offer free consultations, so interview a few before deciding. If you can't determine exact income, you'll need to make good faith estimates based on whatever information you have - industry standards for his type of business, any partial records, lifestyle indicators, etc. Document your methodology carefully. The goal is to show reasonable effort to comply, even with limited information. In some cases, the IRS may accept returns with estimated income if they understand the circumstances, especially when the taxpayer is deceased and records are unavailable.

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Brady Clean

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Skylar Neal

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How exactly does it work? Can it really help when there's basically zero documentation? My mom was also a "cash only" person and I'm worried I'll be in this same situation eventually.

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Sounds sketchy tbh. How can any software know what someone earned in cash years ago? The IRS themselves wouldn't even know that.

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Brady Clean

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The tool works by using advanced data analysis to establish baseline patterns from the limited info you DO have. It can't create data from nothing, but it helps reconstruct reasonable estimates based on factors like location, business type, industry averages, and any partial records. It's actually not about "knowing" exactly what someone earned - it's about creating defensible estimates that satisfy the IRS's requirements when exact records don't exist. The IRS understands that in cases of deceased taxpayers, perfect documentation often isn't available. What they're looking for is a good faith effort to comply, which includes reasonable estimation methods when exact figures aren't available. The software helps document your methodology, which is crucial if the IRS ever questions the returns.

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Kelsey Chin

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Leo McDonald

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Kelsey Chin

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Jessica Nolan

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Have you considered the Voluntary Disclosure Program? My father-in-law was in a somewhat similar situation. The IRS has procedures for people who want to come clean about unfiled returns. Since your dad has passed away, they might be more lenient, especially if there's no evidence of intentional fraud. We ended up only having to file 6 years back and negotiated a reasonable payment plan for what was owed.

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Connor Rupert

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I hadn't heard of this program. Would this still apply even though he passed away? And how did you handle estimating income when there were no clear records?

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Jessica Nolan

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Yes, it still applies for deceased taxpayers when the estate representative initiates the disclosure. The program essentially acknowledges that you're coming forward voluntarily before any IRS enforcement action. For estimating income, we used industry standard profit margins for his type of business, looked at his living expenses and assets acquired during those years, and made reasonable estimates. We documented our methodology carefully and explained the cash-only nature of his business. The IRS was actually surprisingly reasonable once they understood we were making a good faith effort. For some years, we used Form 8275 (Disclosure Statement) to explain our estimation methods. The key was being transparent about how we arrived at the figures rather than just putting random numbers.

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Just wondering... did your dad own the house he lived in? If so, did he have a mortgage or was it paid off? Sometimes property records and mortgage info can give some clues about income, at least at the time he acquired the property.

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Connor Rupert

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He did own his house - bought it in the late 90s and paid it off around 2003 according to what he told me. But I can't find any mortgage paperwork. That's a good idea about property records though, I should check with the county assessor's office to see what they have. That might at least give me some baseline for what he was earning back when he qualified for the mortgage.

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