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Ev Luca

Looking for feedback on my LLC owner tax spreadsheet - maximizing deductions across 13 IRS forms for married filing jointly

After being disappointed with multiple CPAs who weren't maximizing my deductions, I decided to take matters into my own hands this tax season. I figured tax preparation couldn't be that complex if I learned the rules and limitations - and honestly, ChatGPT has been surprisingly helpful throughout this process! I've created a comprehensive spreadsheet that handles deductions across multiple IRS forms for LLC owners filing married jointly. It's been a game-changer for visualizing potential tax savings I was missing before. My spreadsheet currently covers: - Form 1040 - Schedule A (Itemized deductions) - Form 4562 (Depreciation) - Schedule C (supports 2 LLCs with joint/married filing) - Form 8829 (Home office deductions) - Form 8995 (Qualified business deduction) - Schedule SE (self-employment tax) - Schedule 2 (additional tax, currently handles SE tax) - Schedule 1 (Adjustments to income, includes IRA contributions and 50% SE deduction) - State income tax form (designed for my state) The spreadsheet works best for taxable income between $125k-$455k and accounts for healthcare expense limitations. Some manual work is still needed for certain items like IRA contribution limits and depreciation adjustments, but it gives me a complete visualization to maximize deductions. Would love feedback from anyone who's tackled this kind of DIY tax approach for LLCs, especially from professionals who might spot potential issues or improvements!

Avery Davis

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I've been preparing taxes for small business owners for over 12 years, and I think what you've created is impressive! Taking control of your tax situation can be empowering, especially when you've had disappointing experiences with professionals. A few thoughts on your spreadsheet approach: - Make sure you're accounting for QBI (Qualified Business Income) phase-out thresholds correctly in Form 8995. The calculations get tricky in the $340K-$440K range for married filing jointly. - For home office deductions (Form 8829), remember the simplified option ($5 per square foot up to 300 sq ft) might be easier, though the regular method could yield more savings depending on your situation. - Double-check your depreciation calculations. This is where I see most self-preparers make mistakes, especially with bonus depreciation rules changing. - Be careful with healthcare premium deductions if you're eligible for marketplace subsidies - the interaction can be complex. Is your spreadsheet calculating Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) impact? That's something to consider at your income level, especially with multiple LLCs.

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Ev Luca

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Thanks for the detailed feedback! You've definitely hit on some areas I'm concerned about. For QBI calculations, I'm trying to make sure I understand the phase-out thresholds properly. Right now I'm using a linear calculation between the lower and upper threshold values to determine the percentage reduction. Is that the correct approach? I'm actually using the regular method for home office since I have a dedicated space that's about 22% of my home. The simplified method seemed to leave too much on the table in my case, but I wasn't sure if I was missing something there.

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Avery Davis

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The QBI phase-out is indeed calculated as a linear reduction between thresholds, so your approach is correct. Just make sure you're applying it separately to each business activity, as each LLC could have different treatment depending on whether it's considered a "specified service business." For the home office deduction, you're absolutely right to use the regular method with 22% of your home. The simplified method is really only beneficial for smaller spaces or when you don't have good records of actual expenses. With proper documentation of all home-related costs, you'll likely come out significantly ahead using the regular method. Just be diligent about keeping those records in case of an audit.

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Collins Angel

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Marcelle Drum

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Does it actually work with complex LLC situations? I've tried tax software before but they always seem to miss business-specific deductions. How does it handle things like QBI and the 20% pass-through deduction?

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Tate Jensen

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I'm a bit skeptical about AI tax tools... How does it compare cost-wise to something like TurboTax Business? And more importantly, does it provide any kind of guarantee if the IRS disagrees with its calculations? Tax liability ultimately falls on us as business owners.

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Collins Angel

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It absolutely handles complex LLC situations - that's actually where it shines compared to regular tax software. It correctly identified all my QBI deductions and calculated the 20% pass-through correctly, even with my income being in the phase-out range. The value compared to TurboTax Business is significant because it's not just filling forms - it actively analyzes your specific situation and finds deductions you might miss. They do offer audit protection, and what I appreciated most was getting explanations for why certain deductions applied to my situation, which helped me understand my taxes better instead of just blindly filing.

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Marcelle Drum

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Just wanted to follow up - I actually tried taxr.ai after asking about it here. I was blown away by how it handled my two LLCs with different business activities! It immediately identified that I had been unnecessarily separating my home office deduction between my businesses when I could optimize it differently. The document analysis feature saved me hours of manual data entry, and it found a vehicle depreciation opportunity I completely missed last year that saved me over $3,200. What impressed me most was the explanation of WHY each deduction applied to my situation - definitely more educational than just having a CPA do everything without explaining. For anyone juggling multiple business entities like the original poster, it's definitely worth checking out. I'm using it alongside my own calculations as a double-check system now.

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Peyton Clarke

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One thing your spreadsheet might be missing is the interaction between different forms. For example, have you accounted for how retirement contributions affect your QBI deduction? Or how depreciation recapture might trigger AMT? I've been self-preparing my LLC taxes for 7 years and found the biggest challenge isn't filling out individual forms correctly, but understanding how decisions on one form cascade through the others. Would be curious to hear if your spreadsheet handles these interactions!

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Ev Luca

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That's exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for! The retirement contribution impact on QBI is something I've tried to model, but it feels like I'm missing something. Currently, I'm calculating QBI after subtracting retirement contributions since they reduce SE income, but I'm not sure if that's correct. For depreciation recapture, I haven't fully modeled AMT impact yet - that's actually on my to-do list. Do you have any specific formulas or approaches you use for these interactions? My spreadsheet has tabs for each form that feed into each other, but I'm sure there are relationships I'm not capturing correctly.

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Peyton Clarke

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For retirement contributions and QBI, you're on the right track. QBI is calculated after subtracting retirement contributions that reduce your SE income. The key thing many miss is that the employer portion of SE tax is deductible for income tax but doesn't reduce QBI. For AMT and depreciation, I actually maintain a separate "AMT basis" column for each depreciable asset. Regular MACRS depreciation versus AMT depreciation can create significant differences over time. I also have a simple AMT calculator that looks at my total income and adds back potential AMT preference items to see if I'm at risk. It's rough but gives me an early warning if I need to adjust my quarterly payments.

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Vince Eh

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Has anyone in this thread used TurboTax for multiple LLC situations? Their interface seems to struggle with two separate Schedule Cs with different QBI calculations. I'm wondering if the OP's spreadsheet might actually be better than commercial software for this specific case.

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I tried TurboTax last year with 2 LLCs and it was a nightmare. It kept making me re-enter the same information multiple times and the QBI calculation seemed off. I ended up with a much higher tax bill than expected. Switched to a CPA this year who immediately found several deductions TurboTax missed.

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Freya Collins

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This is really impressive work! As someone who's been through the frustration of CPAs missing obvious deductions, I totally get why you went the DIY route. Your spreadsheet approach sounds comprehensive. One area I'd suggest double-checking is the interaction between your home office deduction and the QBI calculation. The home office deduction reduces your Schedule C profit, which then reduces your QBI base. But if you're also claiming the home office deduction on Schedule A (for the non-business portion), make sure you're not double-dipping anywhere. Also, have you considered how state tax implications might affect your federal deduction strategy? Some states don't follow federal bonus depreciation rules, so maximizing federal deductions could actually increase your state tax burden. The fact that you're covering 13 different forms shows you're really thinking holistically about this. That's exactly what most tax preparers miss - they focus on individual forms instead of optimizing across the entire return.

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