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Mikayla Davison

Is there a reason to take SEHID if it reduces my taxes? Trying to understand benefits vs drawbacks

So I'm self-employed and doing my taxes for this year. My accountant mentioned something about the Self-Employed Health Insurance Deduction (SEHID) that I could take, but I'm confused about whether it actually benefits me or not. From what I understand, taking this deduction would reduce my Adjusted Gross Income (AGI), but wouldn't that also potentially reduce other tax benefits that are based on my income? I paid around $14,000 for health insurance premiums this year, so it's not a small amount. But I'm wondering if there are situations where taking this deduction might actually hurt me more than help me. Does anyone have experience with this? Are there specific income thresholds where this deduction makes more sense or less sense? I'm trying to maximize my tax savings overall, not just in one specific area. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

The Self-Employed Health Insurance Deduction (SEHID) is generally a good thing to take advantage of. It's an "above-the-line" deduction, meaning it reduces your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) before you even get to itemized deductions or the standard deduction. Reducing your AGI is usually beneficial for several reasons. First, it directly lowers your taxable income, which means lower income tax. Second, it can help you qualify for other tax benefits that have AGI limitations, like certain credits and deductions that phase out at higher income levels. Third, for self-employed folks, it also reduces your self-employment tax base. There are some scenarios where lowering your AGI might have drawbacks - like if you're trying to qualify for certain loans that require higher income verification, or if you're near the lower threshold for certain tax credits that increase with income. But for most self-employed taxpayers, taking the SEHID is a net positive. With $14,000 in premiums, that's a substantial deduction you'd be leaving on the table if you didn't claim it!

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Thanks for the explanation! What if I'm close to qualifying for the Earned Income Credit? Would reducing my AGI with the SEHID potentially make me eligible for that credit or would it actually reduce the amount I could get?

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The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is a bit unique compared to other credits. For the EITC, what matters is your earned income, and the credit initially increases as your earned income increases (up to a point), then plateaus, and eventually phases out at higher income levels. Taking the SEHID reduces your AGI but doesn't reduce your earned income for EITC purposes. So if you're in the phase-out range for the EITC, lowering your AGI with SEHID could potentially increase your EITC amount because you'd be reducing your income in the phase-out range.

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How does it compare to just using TurboTax or something? I already pay for that and it seems like it does calculations for you too.

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I found it very straightforward to use. You just upload your documents and it guides you through everything. I'm not particularly tech savvy either, and I had no problems navigating it. It actually simplified a lot of the confusing tax language into plain English explanations. TurboTax is good for the basic filing process, but taxr.ai is more focused on analysis and optimization before you file. It shows you different scenarios and explains the impact of each decision. I still used TurboTax to file, but used taxr.ai first to figure out the optimal approach. It caught several things TurboTax didn't prompt me about because it analyzes your full situation rather than just asking sequential questions.

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Just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai after trying it. I was skeptical about whether it would offer anything beyond what TurboTax does, but it actually saved me quite a bit of money! The SEHID question was just the tip of the iceberg. It found several business deductions I didn't know I qualified for and showed me exactly how taking the SEHID affected my overall tax situation. In my case, it was definitely beneficial to take it. What I really liked was how it explained everything in plain English instead of tax jargon. It confirmed that taking the SEHID wouldn't negatively impact any of my other credits and deductions. The visualizations made it super clear where my tax savings were coming from. Definitely using this again next year!

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How does this actually work? Do they just keep calling the IRS over and over until they get through? Seems weird that someone else would be talking to the IRS for me.

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This sounds like BS honestly. The IRS wait times are like 2+ hours. No way they're getting through in 20 minutes unless they have some special backdoor number, which would be sketchy.

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They don't actually talk to the IRS for you - they use an automated system that navigates the phone menus and waits on hold. When an actual IRS agent picks up, that's when they connect you. You're the only one who speaks with the IRS agent about your tax information. I was skeptical too, but it actually works. They don't have a special backdoor number - they call the same number everyone else does. The difference is they have technology that can stay on hold for hours without tying up your phone. From what I understand, they have multiple lines calling simultaneously, which increases the chances of getting through quickly. In my case it was about 20 minutes, but sometimes it can take longer. Still better than doing it yourself and being stuck on hold for hours.

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I have to eat my words and apologize for my skepticism about Claimyr. After my dismissive comment, I decided to try it anyway out of desperation because I had a complex question about SEHID and how it interacted with marketplace insurance subsidies that no one could seem to answer clearly. To my genuine surprise, I got connected to an IRS agent in about 35 minutes. I would have spent half my day on hold otherwise. The agent was able to review my specific situation and confirmed that taking the SEHID was absolutely beneficial in my case because it lowered my MAGI for premium tax credit calculations. This saved me from making a $2300 mistake on my taxes. Sometimes being proved wrong is the best outcome! Just wanted to share this follow-up since my initial reaction was so negative.

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Another consideration with SEHID is how it interacts with premium tax credits if you get your insurance through the marketplace. Taking the SEHID lowers your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI), which is used to calculate your premium tax credit eligibility. If your income is near one of the threshold levels for premium subsidies, taking SEHID could potentially qualify you for higher subsidies. This creates a double benefit - you get the tax deduction AND potentially more subsidy help. I've been self-employed for 7 years and always take the SEHID. I've never encountered a situation where it wasn't beneficial overall.

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So what's the downside then? OP is asking if there are reasons NOT to take it, seems like there must be some catch?

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There's not really a "catch" with the SEHID itself - it's a legitimate tax benefit for self-employed people. The only situations where it might not be advantageous would be very specific edge cases. For example, if you're trying to contribute the maximum to a retirement account that's limited by your earned income, reducing that income might slightly reduce how much you can contribute. Or if you're applying for loans or financial aid where higher income is beneficial for qualification. But these are relatively uncommon situations compared to the tax benefits most people receive.

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Has anyone figured out how SEHID interacts with the Qualified Business Income Deduction (Section 199A)? I'm trying to understand if taking SEHID affects that 20% pass-through deduction at all.

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Yes, there is an interaction between SEHID and the QBI deduction. When you take the SEHID, it reduces your net self-employment income, which in turn can reduce your QBI deduction since that's calculated as 20% of your qualified business income. However, the SEHID also reduces your overall taxable income, which usually provides more benefit than the slight reduction in QBI deduction. It's basically reducing income that would be taxed at your full tax rate versus reducing a deduction that's worth 20% of your business income.

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I've been self-employed for about 3 years now and have taken the SEHID every year. One thing I learned the hard way is to make sure you're actually eligible for it - you can only take the deduction if you have a net profit from self-employment and the health insurance plan isn't available through a spouse's employer. Also, the deduction is limited to your net self-employment earnings, so if you had a really low-income year, you might not be able to deduct the full premium amount. But in your case with $14,000 in premiums, as long as your self-employment income is higher than that, you should be able to take the full deduction. One more tip - make sure you're not double-dipping by also trying to itemize these same premiums as medical expenses. You can only count them one way or the other, and the SEHID is almost always the better choice since it's above-the-line.

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This is really helpful information about the eligibility requirements! I didn't realize there was a spouse's employer insurance restriction. Quick question - what if my spouse has access to insurance through their employer but we chose not to take it because my individual plan was better/cheaper? Would that disqualify me from taking the SEHID, or is it only if we're actually enrolled in the spouse's plan?

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Great question! The IRS rules on this are pretty specific - if your spouse has access to employer-sponsored health insurance that covers you (not just your spouse), then you generally can't take the SEHID for premiums you pay on your own plan, even if you chose not to enroll in the spouse's plan. The key factor is whether the spouse's employer plan would cover you as a spouse. If it would, and you're eligible to enroll, then the IRS considers that you have access to employer coverage, which disqualifies you from SEHID. However, there are some exceptions - like if the employer plan is unaffordable (costs more than a certain percentage of household income) or if it doesn't provide minimum value. These are the same affordability tests used for ACA premium tax credits. I'd definitely recommend checking with a tax professional or using one of those analysis tools mentioned earlier to make sure you're handling this correctly, since the rules can get pretty complex depending on your specific situation.

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In the vast majority of cases, taking the SEHID is absolutely beneficial and you should definitely claim it. With $14,000 in premiums, that's a substantial deduction that will save you money on both income tax and self-employment tax. The scenarios where it might not be advantageous are extremely rare - things like if you're right at the edge of qualifying for income-based student loan forgiveness programs that require higher AGI, or if you're applying for mortgages where they want to see higher income. But for pure tax purposes, it's almost always a win. One thing to double-check though - make sure you meet all the eligibility requirements. You need to have net self-employment income, and if you're married and your spouse has access to employer health insurance that covers you, that could disqualify you from taking the deduction. The fact that your accountant mentioned it suggests they think you're eligible and it would benefit you. I'd trust their judgment - they can see your full tax picture and calculate the exact impact for your situation.

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This is really comprehensive advice! I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences. As someone new to self-employment, I had no idea there were so many nuances to consider with the SEHID. The spouse's employer insurance rule is particularly eye-opening - I almost made that mistake since my partner has coverage through work that I could join. It sounds like for most people in straightforward situations, taking the SEHID is a no-brainer. But it's good to know about the edge cases and eligibility requirements. I think I'll run the numbers both ways to see the actual dollar impact before deciding, especially since some of the tools mentioned here seem like they could help with that analysis. Thanks for all the detailed responses - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these complex tax situations!

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One additional point to consider that I haven't seen mentioned yet - the timing of when you take the SEHID can matter if you're making estimated quarterly tax payments throughout the year. Since the deduction reduces both your income tax and self-employment tax liability, it can affect how much you should be paying in estimated taxes. If you're planning to take the SEHID, make sure you factor that into your quarterly payment calculations so you don't overpay during the year. I learned this the hard way my first year of self-employment - I was calculating my estimated payments based on my full income without accounting for the SEHID, and ended up giving the government an interest-free loan for months. Also, keep good records of all your health insurance premium payments throughout the year. The IRS may want documentation if they ever audit, so having receipts or bank statements showing the payments is important. With $14,000 in premiums, that's definitely going to be noticed if they review your return.

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This is such a good point about estimated quarterly payments! I'm new to being self-employed and honestly hadn't even thought about how the SEHID would affect my quarterly estimates. I've been calculating them based on my gross income without factoring in any deductions, so I'm probably overpaying too. Do you know if there's a safe harbor rule for estimated payments that accounts for deductions like SEHID? Or do I need to try to predict my exact deduction amount at the beginning of the year? My health insurance premiums are pretty consistent month to month, so I could probably estimate the annual total fairly accurately. Also, great advice about keeping detailed records. I've been pretty casual about saving receipts, but with that much money involved, I definitely need to get more organized about documentation.

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