Is my TIN and SSN the same number? Need help understanding IRS documents
So I just got my IRS transcript downloaded for the first time (dealing with some tax stuff from last year) and I noticed something weird. The last 4 digits of my TIN and SSN are exactly the same on the document. I wasn't sure if that's normal or if there's some kind of mistake on my transcript? Can TIN and SSN actually be the same number or should they be different? This is probably a stupid question but I've never really paid attention to this before and now I'm confused looking at my transcript. Thanks for any help!
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Misterclamation Skyblue
For most U.S. citizens and residents, your Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) is actually your Social Security Number (SSN). They're the same 9-digit number used for different purposes. The IRS uses the term "TIN" as a broader category that includes several types of identification numbers. For most individuals, your SSN serves as your TIN. For others, it might be an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), Employer Identification Number (EIN), or other specialized identification numbers. So yes, it's completely normal that the last 4 digits match - they're the same number!
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Peyton Clarke
•So wait, if I have a small business that I file taxes for, would my EIN be different than my personal SSN? Or are those the same too?
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Misterclamation Skyblue
•For a small business, your EIN would be different from your personal SSN. An EIN is a 9-digit number assigned specifically to your business entity. If you operate as a sole proprietor, you can use your SSN for business tax purposes, but many sole proprietors still obtain an EIN for various reasons like opening business bank accounts or hiring employees. The EIN is a completely separate number from your SSN, with its own unique digits. This helps maintain separation between your personal and business tax situations.
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Reginald Blackwell
Just a side note - if you're not a U.S. citizen and don't qualify for an SSN, you might have an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) as your TIN instead. That's what I have as a resident alien, and it works similar to an SSN for tax purposes but can't be used for things like Social Security benefits.
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Aria Khan
•How difficult was it to get your ITIN? I'm helping my cousin who just moved to the US and needs to file taxes next year.
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Reginald Blackwell
•The ITIN application process wasn't super difficult, but it did take some time. You need to complete Form W-7 and provide original documents or certified copies from the issuing agency (like a passport). You can submit it with your tax return or in advance. The processing time was about 7 weeks for me, but I've heard it can take longer during busy periods. One tip for your cousin: if possible, use an IRS-authorized Certifying Acceptance Agent instead of mailing original documents. That way they don't have to part with their passport for weeks while the IRS processes the application.
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Everett Tutum
When I first got my tax documents sorted out, I was confused by all these different ID numbers too. Basically: - Regular employees: SSN = TIN - Non-US citizens without SSN: ITIN = TIN - Businesses: EIN = TIN - Adoption taxpayer: ATIN = TIN The TIN is just the generic term the IRS uses to refer to whichever number applies to your situation.
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Sunny Wang
•What about for a trust? My parents set one up and I'm trying to figure out the tax situation.
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