Confused: Are my TIN and SSN the same number? Tax transcript shows identical last 4 digits
I was going through my IRS transcript that I downloaded last week and noticed something weird. The last 4 digits of my TIN and SSN are exactly the same on the document. Is that normal? I always thought they were separate numbers for some reason, but now I'm confused about whether they're actually the same thing. Can someone explain if your TIN and SSN can be identical? Just trying to make sure there's no mistake on my transcript before I use it for my mortgage application.
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Emily Sanjay
For most individual taxpayers in the US, your Social Security Number (SSN) is actually used as your Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN). The TIN is just the broader category that includes different types of tax identification numbers, with SSN being the most common type for individuals. So yes, it's completely normal that the last four digits match - they should be identical because they're the same number. The IRS uses your SSN as your TIN when you file taxes as an individual.
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Jordan Walker
•Wait so is there ever a case where someone would have both a SSN and a different TIN? Like for a business owner or something? I thought I needed to apply for a separate TIN when I started my side gig last year but maybe I misunderstood.
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Emily Sanjay
•Yes, there are definitely cases where someone might have both. If you own a business, you might have an Employer Identification Number (EIN), which is another type of TIN that's separate from your SSN. For your side gig, it depends on your business structure. If you're operating as a sole proprietor, you can generally just use your SSN for tax purposes. However, if you formed an LLC, corporation, or have employees, you would need to apply for an EIN.
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Natalie Adams
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Elijah O'Reilly
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Amara Torres
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Amara Torres
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Mason Kaczka
•How exactly does this work? Do they just sit on hold for you or something? I don't get how they can get through faster than I can.
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Sophia Russo
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Sophia Russo
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Evelyn Xu
One more thing to know about TINs vs SSNs - if you're not eligible for an SSN (like if you're not a US citizen but need to file taxes), you would apply for an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) instead. That's a type of TIN used specifically for tax filing purposes for people without SSNs.
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Sebastian Scott
•That makes so much sense now! I think part of my confusion was that I have a friend who is here on a work visa and she was talking about getting a TIN, but I didn't realize it was because she doesn't have an SSN. Thanks for clearing this up!
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Evelyn Xu
•You're welcome! That's exactly why some people need ITINs. Your friend with the work visa might actually qualify for an SSN depending on her specific visa type and work authorization. ITINs are typically for people who need to file US taxes but don't qualify for SSNs, like certain nonresident aliens, undocumented immigrants who still need to file taxes, or dependents/spouses of visa holders in some cases.
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Dominic Green
My tax guy told me the easy way to remember it is: SSN is a type of TIN, like how a square is a type of rectangle. All SSNs are TINs, but not all TINs are SSNs. Other types include EINs (for businesses), ITINs (for foreign individuals), PTINs (for tax preparers), etc.
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Hannah Flores
•That square/rectangle comparison makes it so easy to understand! I wish the IRS would explain things this clearly on their website lol.
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Amina Bah
Thanks everyone for the helpful explanations! I feel much better now knowing that my TIN and SSN being the same is totally normal. I was worried there might be some error on my transcript that would mess up my mortgage application. It's reassuring to know this is how it works for most individual taxpayers. Really appreciate this community for clearing up my confusion so quickly!
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