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Ravi Malhotra

Are my TIN and SSN the same number? Confused about IRS transcript

So I just pulled my IRS Transcript for the first time (trying to get things organized early for next year's taxes) and I noticed something weird. The last 4 digits of my TIN and SSN shown on the transcript are identical. I always thought these were supposed to be different numbers? Can your TIN and SSN actually be the same, or is there some mistake on my transcript? Getting kinda worried that maybe something's wrong with my tax records now...

For most individual taxpayers in the US, your TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number) is simply your Social Security Number. The IRS uses different types of TINs depending on who or what entity is filing taxes. For individuals who are US citizens or permanent residents, your SSN serves as your TIN. For businesses, they use an EIN (Employer Identification Number). Foreign individuals who need to file taxes but don't qualify for an SSN might use an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number). So seeing the same last 4 digits for both your TIN and SSN on your transcript is completely normal and expected - they're actually the same number in your case!

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Omar Farouk

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Wait so if someone asks for my TIN on a form, I just put my social security #? I always left that blank cause I didn't know what it was lol

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Yes, exactly! If you're filling out a form as an individual and it asks for your TIN, you would enter your Social Security Number. Many forms will actually specify "SSN/TIN" to make this clearer, but not all of them do, which creates this common confusion. This is only for individual taxpayers though. If you operate a business or are self-employed and have obtained an EIN (Employer Identification Number), you would use that as your TIN in business contexts.

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Diego Chavez

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Luca Bianchi

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My tax professor explained it like this: TIN is just the category name, while SSN, EIN, ITIN, etc. are the specific types of TINs. It's like how "vehicle" is the category, but "car," "truck," and "motorcycle" are specific types of vehicles.

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This is actually really helpful! So the TIN is just the umbrella term? Are there any other types of TINs besides SSN and EIN that regular people might encounter?

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Luca Bianchi

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Yes, TIN is exactly that - the umbrella term for various tax identification numbers. Besides SSNs and EINs, there are a few other types regular people might encounter. The most common alternative is the ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number), which is used by residents who need to file taxes but aren't eligible for an SSN, like certain visa holders or non-resident aliens. Another one is the PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) which is used by professional tax preparers - you might see this on your tax return if someone else prepared it for you.

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Nia Harris

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Just to add some extra info - I work at a bank and we always ask for TIN on forms, but we make it clear that "For individuals, this is your SSN." A lot of people get confused by this. You'd be surprised how many people think they need to register for a separate TIN number somewhere.

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is there ever a case where a normal person (not a business) would have a different TIN than their ssn? like what if someone isn't a citizen?

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