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Tax Topic 151 can be triggered by a number of things beyond just foreign property sales. The IRS has several automated systems that flag returns for review, including: 1. Discrepancies between income reported on your return vs. what employers/banks reported 2. Claimed credits or deductions that are statistically unusual for your income level 3. Previous audit history or related taxpayer audits 4. Random selection (yes, some returns are just randomly selected for review) Since they only sent you $15 out of $4,200, they're questioning almost your entire refund. This suggests it might be more than just the property sale. Could be worth reviewing your entire return for potential issues.
Do these Tax Topic 151 reviews usually result in reduced refunds? Or is it just a verification process and you still get your full amount if everything checks out?
It really depends on what they find during the review. If all your documentation supports your claims and everything checks out, you'll receive the full refund amount, though obviously delayed. If they determine certain deductions or credits aren't valid, they'll adjust your return and you'll receive a reduced amount. In some cases, if they find significant issues, you could even end up owing more instead of getting a refund. The vast majority of cases are just verification though, and many people do receive their full refund after providing documentation.
Has anyone here had to wait longer than 30 days to hear from the IRS about a Tax Topic 151 issue? I'm in a similar situation but it's been almost 45 days and still no letter explaining what the problem is.
I waited almost 60 days last year before I got my letter. Called multiple times and kept getting told "it's in process." When the letter finally came, it was something simple they could have told me over the phone. The IRS is still dealing with backlogs from Covid even now.
Just be careful about intentionally overwithholding too much. While it's perfectly legal to request additional withholding on your W4, the IRS doesn't like it when people use them as a forced savings account. In extreme cases, they may send your employer a "lock-in letter" that restricts your ability to adjust your withholding if they think you're having too much withheld. This usually happens when the withholding seems unreasonable compared to your expected tax liability. At your income level with 3 kids, a $12k refund is probably pushing it, but should be okay. Just something to be aware of.
I didn't know the IRS could restrict your withholding choices! Has this happened to you or someone you know? How extreme would the withholding need to be for them to do this?
It's never happened to me personally, but I've seen it happen to a colleague. In their case, they were having about 50% of their check withheld when their actual tax liability would have only required about 15-20%. The IRS typically only issues lock-in letters when there's a significant discrepancy. For your situation, wanting a $12k refund on $150k income with 3 kids isn't extreme enough to trigger concern. It would be more problematic if you were trying to have, say, $40k withheld when your likely tax liability is only $15k. They generally don't mind reasonable overwithholding - many people use tax refunds as a savings method.
Homeschooling parent here! While homeschooling doesn't give you federal tax benefits directly, don't forget to keep track of your homeschooling expenses for other potential benefits: 1. Some states offer tax credits or deductions for homeschooling expenses 2. Certain educational expenses might qualify for the Lifetime Learning Credit 3. If you have a 529 plan, some homeschool expenses may qualify (rules changed in 2018) 4. If you run a home business related to your homeschooling, some expenses might be deductible None of this directly affects your W4 withholding question, but since you mentioned homeschooling, I thought this might be helpful additional info!
Do you know which states offer tax benefits for homeschooling? I'm in Illinois and considering homeschooling next year.
Illinois doesn't currently offer specific tax benefits for homeschooling expenses, unfortunately. States that do include Louisiana (deduction up to $5,000), Indiana (deduction up to $1,000 per child), Minnesota (education tax credit), and a few others. Even without state-specific benefits, don't forget about potential federal benefits like the Lifetime Learning Credit depending on how you structure your homeschooling program. Some families also set up small educational businesses alongside their homeschooling which can provide some tax advantages if done properly.
Just want to add some clarity here - the key thing you need to understand is the difference between a ROLLOVER and a CONVERSION: - Rollover: Moving money from one tax-advantaged account to another with the SAME tax treatment (Traditional to Traditional or Roth to Roth) = NOT a taxable event - Conversion: Moving money from pre-tax to after-tax treatment (Traditional to Roth) = TAXABLE event (but only on pre-tax amounts) What you did was a Roth CONVERSION, which is generally taxable. But since you made non-deductible contributions (meaning you didn't take a tax deduction when contributing), only the growth would be taxable. Form 8606 is absolutely critical here. You must file it to establish your basis (the amount you've already paid tax on).
This is super helpful! One question though - if you've been making deductible Traditional IRA contributions for years and then make some non-deductible contributions before converting to Roth, do you only pay tax on the deductible portion? Or is it more complicated?
It's a bit more complicated. The IRS uses what's called the "pro-rata rule" for conversions. You can't cherry-pick which dollars to convert first. If you have both deductible and non-deductible contributions in your Traditional IRAs, you must calculate the percentage of your total IRA balance that represents non-deductible contributions. That same percentage of your conversion will be tax-free. For example, if 20% of your total IRA balance across all accounts represents non-deductible contributions, then 20% of your conversion would be tax-free.
Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this Form 8606 situation? I'm trying to figure out if it can properly handle non-deductible contributions and Roth conversions without messing everything up.
I used TurboTax last year for this exact situation. It works but you need to be careful. When you enter your 1099-R, it initially shows the full amount as taxable. Later in the process, it will ask about non-deductible contributions and previous Form 8606 filings. Make sure you don't miss that section!
Thanks for the info! I was worried I'd miss something important. I'll keep an eye out for that section about non-deductible contributions. Did you have to pay for the premium version to access Form 8606?
Has anyone tried just showing up at their old workplace and asking for it in person? I did this last year and they printed it right on the spot for me. Awkward for 5 minutes but then it was done.
That's actually not a bad idea if they're local! My old job was cool about it. The HR lady even apologized and said a bunch got lost in the mail. Way better than waiting on hold with the IRS.
Don't forget that if your employer truly never sends your W-2, and you file using Form 4852 as a substitute, you should keep records of all your attempts to get the W-2. Email them, call them, send a certified letter requesting it. If you end up having to use the substitute form, the IRS might contact your employer to verify the information, and having documentation that you tried to resolve it properly will help your case if there are any discrepancies.
This is great advice, thank you! I'll start keeping track of my attempts to get it. Do you think a simple log with dates and times of calls would be sufficient, or should I be sending emails so I have written proof?
Email is definitely better because it gives you a clear paper trail. Send a polite email to HR or payroll requesting your W-2, mentioning that you haven't received it yet and the January 31st deadline has passed. If you call, follow up with an email summarizing the call ("As we discussed on the phone today..."). For extra protection, if they don't respond to regular emails after a week, send a certified letter with return receipt. This proves they received your request. The IRS takes this stuff seriously, and if your employer is systematically failing to provide W-2s, your documentation could help with any potential investigation.
Mateo Martinez
Another free option nobody's mentioned is CreditKarma Tax (now called Cash App Taxes). I've used it for the last 3 years including for crypto transactions. Completely free federal AND state filing with no income limits. It's actually pretty user-friendly and handles most tax situations including Schedule D and Form 8949. The only major limitation is they don't support multiple state filings or foreign income reporting.
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Aisha Hussain
ā¢Can it import the already completed Sch D and 8949 forms that OP mentioned, or would they have to re-enter all their crypto transactions manually?
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Mateo Martinez
ā¢Unfortunately it doesn't have a direct import feature for already completed forms. You would need to manually re-enter the information from your Schedule D and Form 8949. This is actually one downside compared to some other options mentioned. If you have a lot of crypto transactions, re-entering everything could be quite time-consuming.
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Ethan Clark
Whatever method you choose, just make sure you keep copies of EVERYTHING. I filed myself last year and didn't keep proper records. Then got a letter from the IRS about my crypto and had NOTHING to refer back to... total nightmare! Take screenshots of every page before submitting, save PDFs of all completed forms, and keep a folder with all your supporting documents. Trust me, future you will thank present you if there's ever a question!
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StarStrider
ā¢Learned this the hard way too. Also date everything! I wrote notes on some of my forms but didn't put dates and couldn't remember which version was final when I got audited.
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