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PaulineW

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As someone who prepares taxes professionally, I'd add that you might also qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit even with self-employment income, depending on your total income and other factors. This could potentially offset some of what you owe. Also important to note: if you genuinely never received a 1099 form, the delivery company might not have reported your income to the IRS (though they should have if it was over $600). This doesn't excuse you from filing, but it might mean the IRS hasn't flagged your account yet for non-filing.

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Micah Trail

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Thanks for mentioning this! I definitely made under $10k for the year, so maybe I'd qualify for that credit? And you're right - I never got any forms from the company, so maybe they didn't report it. Would that make my penalties less severe?

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PaulineW

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You should definitely check if you qualify for the EITC. For 2023, a single filer with no children could qualify with income up to about $17,640, so you're well within that range. This could potentially give you a refundable credit of several hundred dollars. Regarding the unreported income, it's a double-edged sword. If they didn't report it, the IRS might not know you were supposed to file, which means they haven't been actively pursuing you for non-filing. However, you're still legally obligated to report all income regardless of whether you received a 1099. The safest approach is always to file and report everything accurately, even if it's late.

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One thing nobody mentioned - if you do your delivery driving in a state with income tax, you'll need to file a state return too! I made this mistake and only filed federal after missing my taxes, then got a separate notice from my state tax agency for non-filing.

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Chris Elmeda

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Definitely good to know. I'm in Texas so I think we don't have state income tax, but I'll double check to make sure I'm not missing anything else!

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Leo Simmons

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Something nobody mentioned yet - have you considered just reducing your MAGI to stay under the limit? Max out your 401k if you haven't already ($23,000 for 2024), contribute to an HSA if eligible ($4,150 individual), or look into if your employer offers any other pre-tax benefits like dependent care FSA, commuter benefits, etc. Might be easier than dealing with withdrawals and recalculations if you're close to the threshold. I was in a similar situation last year and managed to drop my MAGI just enough by maxing these pre-tax options.

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Felix Grigori

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That's a great point I hadn't considered! My company does offer a 401k that I'm not fully maxing out yet. I'm putting in about 10% of my salary but could definitely increase that. We also have an HSA option I haven't been using. Would increasing 401k contributions now still help reduce my MAGI for the whole year, even though we're partway through 2024?

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Leo Simmons

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Yes, increasing your 401k contributions now will still help reduce your 2024 MAGI, even though we're partway through the year. Your MAGI calculation only looks at your total contributions for the year, not when during the year they were made. If you significantly increase your contribution percentage for the remaining months, you can make up for the lower contribution rate from earlier in the year. The HSA is another great option if you have a qualifying high-deductible health plan. The $4,150 contribution limit (for individual coverage) for 2024 comes straight off your MAGI calculation. Between maxing out your 401k and adding an HSA, you could potentially reduce your MAGI by enough to stay within the Roth contribution limits, avoiding the need to withdraw anything.

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Lindsey Fry

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I think there's some confusion in this thread. The 5-year rule for Roth IRAs has TWO different applications: 1. For CONTRIBUTIONS: You can withdraw your contributions anytime without penalty regardless of the 5-year rule. 2. For CONVERSIONS and EARNINGS: The 5-year rule applies here. Each conversion has its own 5-year clock, and earnings require both 5 years AND being 59.5 years old to avoid penalties. In your case, since you're only withdrawing contributions, the 5-year rule doesn't matter at all. The app warning is just a generic message they show everyone. Also - if you're close to the income limit, consider contributing to a Traditional IRA and then doing a Backdoor Roth conversion rather than dealing with partial contribution calculations.

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Saleem Vaziri

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Thanks for clarifying the 5-year rule! One question though - if OP does the backdoor Roth conversion, doesn't that start a NEW 5-year clock for those converted funds? I'm trying to understand if there's any disadvantage to the backdoor approach versus direct contributions if you might need access to the money before 59.5.

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Aisha Hussain

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Make sure you respond to that notice ASAP! I ignored a similar notice thinking I could deal with it later and ended up with a tax lien that destroyed my credit score. It took me years to recover financially. The interest and penalties also keep adding up every month you don't address it.

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Diego Mendoza

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Yikes, that's scary. Do you know if the payment plan stops the penalties from accumulating? I'm definitely calling them this week.

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Aisha Hussain

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The payment plan doesn't completely stop penalties and interest, but it does prevent further collection actions like liens and levies as long as you keep making payments. The failure-to-pay penalty drops from 0.5% to 0.25% per month when you're on a plan, which helps a little. Interest (currently around 5%) continues regardless. Still way better than ignoring it though - I learned that lesson the hard way!

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Ethan Clark

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check if you qualify for first time penalty abatement! if you had a clean tax record before 2021 (filed and paid on time for previous years) you can often get the penalties removed. saved me about $1200 on a tax bill last year. doesn't help with the base tax or interest but still better than nothing.

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StarStrider

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This is great advice! I got first-time abatement for a similar situation. Just call the IRS and specifically ask for "first-time penalty abatement" - many agents won't offer it unless you specifically request it.

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Sophia Long

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Something that confused me when I was doing estimated taxes was that the line numbers changed from 2018 to 2019 to 2020. For 2018 returns, total tax was on line 15, for 2019 it was line 16, and for 2020 it's line 24. The IRS keeps reorganizing the 1040 form, so make sure you're looking at the right line for the right year!

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JacksonHarris

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I checked my 2020 return and found line 24 showing my total tax liability. Just to confirm, this is the amount I should use to make sure I've paid enough for 2021 through the combination of withholding and estimated payments, right?

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Sophia Long

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Exactly right! Line 24 from your 2020 return is the number you should use as your target for total 2021 payments (both withholding and estimated payments combined). If your income in 2020 was less than $150,000, you need to pay 100% of that line 24 amount. If your 2020 income was over $150,000, you need to pay 110% of that line 24 amount to hit the safe harbor protection against underpayment penalties.

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Don't forget if you're self-employed, you might also need to look at Schedule SE for the self-employment tax portion of your liability, although that gets rolled into the total tax on line 24 anyway. Self-employment tax can be a nasty surprise the first time you deal with it!

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This is so important! My first year being self-employed I completely underestimated my tax liability because I forgot about the self-employment tax. Ended up owing a bunch more than I planned for.

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Ethan Wilson

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You might just need to enter your prior year Roth IRA basis somewhere in the software. In H&R Block, go to the "Retirement and Investments" section, then "IRA, 401(k), or Other Retirement Plans" and look for a question about "prior Roth contributions" or "Roth IRA basis." Enter the total amount you've contributed to your Roth IRA in all previous years combined (not including 2024 contributions).

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NeonNova

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Where exactly in H&R Block do you find this? I'm looking at that section right now and I don't see anything specific about "prior Roth contributions." Is it hidden in some submenu?

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Ethan Wilson

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It's a bit buried in the interface. After you get to the "IRA, 401(k), or Other Retirement Plans" section, you need to click on the specific Roth IRA contribution entry. Then there should be an "Advanced" or "Additional Information" button or link. Click that and you'll see additional fields, including one for your previous years' contributions or basis amount. If you're using the desktop version rather than the online version, the navigation might be slightly different, but the concept is the same - look for an advanced or additional info section related to your Roth IRA entries.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Something similar happened to me - the warning is likely just telling you that you should know your basis for future reference. For most people with Roth IRAs who haven't made withdrawals, it doesn't actually affect your tax return. H&R Block is just being extra cautious.

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Carmen Diaz

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I've been using TaxAct for years and have never seen any warning about Roth IRA basis. I wonder if this is just an H&R Block thing or if I've been missing something important all along?

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