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Caleb Stark

Are my TIN and SSN the same thing? Confused about transcript numbers

I just downloaded my IRS transcript for the first time because I needed it for a loan application. I noticed that the last 4 digits shown for my TIN on the transcript match the last 4 digits of my SSN. This has me super confused! Are they supposed to be the same number or did something get messed up? I'm worried there's an error with my tax info that could cause problems later. Can someone explain if the TIN and SSN are actually the same thing or if they should be different? Thanks!

Jade O'Malley

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For most individual taxpayers in the US, your Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) is indeed your Social Security Number (SSN). The IRS uses these terms somewhat interchangeably when dealing with individual taxpayers. TIN is actually a broader category that includes several types of tax IDs: - Social Security Numbers (SSNs) for US citizens and residents - Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) for individuals who need to file taxes but aren't eligible for SSNs - Employer Identification Numbers (EINs) for businesses - Adoption Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ATINs) for certain adoption scenarios So yes, it's completely normal that the last 4 digits match - they should be identical because for you as an individual taxpayer, your TIN is your SSN.

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So if I'm starting a small business on the side, do I need to get a separate TIN or can I just use my SSN for everything? I'm confused about when you need different numbers.

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Jade O'Malley

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If you're operating as a sole proprietor, you can use your SSN for your business activities on a Schedule C. You'd report business income and expenses using your personal tax return. If you want more separation between personal and business finances, or if you're forming an LLC, corporation, or partnership, you should apply for an EIN (Employer Identification Number). This is free through the IRS website and gives you a separate tax ID for your business. It's also helpful for opening business bank accounts and can provide some additional privacy since you won't need to share your SSN with vendors or clients.

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Ella Lewis

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Ella Lewis

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Update: I tried taxr.ai after posting my question here and wow - it really helped! I uploaded my transcripts and W2s from the last three years and the analysis made everything crystal clear. It showed me exactly where my TIN/SSN appeared on each document and explained what each code and number meant. I was especially impressed by how it caught a discrepancy between my 2023 W2 and what was reported to the IRS (my employer had a typo in one field). Definitely worth checking out if you're confused by tax documents like I was!

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Camila Jordan

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Sounds like BS to me. The IRS isn't going to talk to some random third party about your tax situation. There's no way this is legit.

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Alexis Renard

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Tyler Lefleur

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One thing nobody has mentioned - if you're not a US citizen but need to file taxes, you'd have an ITIN instead of an SSN as your TIN. I'm on a work visa and that confused me at first since all the forms just asked for "TIN" and I wasn't sure if that meant my ITIN or some other number. But yeah for most American citizens, your SSN is your TIN.

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Do you know if green card holders use their SSN or do they need an ITIN? My parents just got their green cards and are confused about filing next year.

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Tyler Lefleur

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Green card holders use their SSN, not an ITIN. When someone gets a green card, they're eligible for (and usually required to get) a Social Security Number if they don't already have one. ITINs are specifically for people who need to file taxes but aren't eligible for SSNs, like certain visa holders or non-resident aliens with US income. So your parents should use their SSNs on all tax forms where it asks for TIN.

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Max Knight

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Just to add one more thing - I recently discovered that on some IRS transcripts, they only show the last 4 digits of your SSN/TIN for security reasons! I freaked out thinking my full number wasn't in their system, but that's actually a security feature to protect your identity. The IRS has your full number, they just don't display it on certain documents.

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Caleb Stark

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Ohhhh that explains why I only saw the last 4 digits on my transcript! I was wondering about that too but didn't think to ask. Thanks for clearing that up!!

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