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Interest Deductibility Rules When Using LLC Cash-Out for Second Rental Property

Title: Interest Deductibility Rules When Using LLC Cash-Out for Second Rental Property 1 I have a situation with my rental property business structure. My first LLC (let's call it Blue Ridge LLC) owns a rental house with no mortgage - completely paid off. I'm thinking about doing a cash-out refinance on this property and using those funds to purchase a second rental property that would be owned by a completely separate LLC (maybe Sunset Properties LLC). My question is about the interest deduction rules: Can Blue Ridge LLC deduct the interest on its tax return if the loan proceeds are being used to purchase a property for Sunset LLC? Or are there specific "tracing rules" that require the loan proceeds to be used only for Blue Ridge LLC's properties/purposes in order for the interest to be deductible on Blue Ridge LLC's return? I'm trying to figure out the most tax-efficient way to structure this expansion without creating interest deduction problems. Thanks for any guidance on these interest tracing rules for LLCs!

5 You're dealing with what the IRS calls "interest tracing rules" and they focus on what the loan proceeds are actually used for, not which entity has the loan. Since you're taking cash from Blue Ridge LLC and using it to buy a property for Sunset LLC, the interest wouldn't typically be deductible on Blue Ridge's return. For interest to be deductible on Blue Ridge LLC's tax return, the loan proceeds would need to be used for Blue Ridge's business purposes. When you use the money for Sunset LLC instead, the interest expense doesn't match where the income-producing activity is happening. The interest follows the use of the funds. You might want to consider a different approach - either have Blue Ridge purchase the second property directly, or have Sunset LLC take out its own loan. If you're concerned about liability protection between properties, talk with a business attorney about alternatives that maintain separation while working within tax rules.

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12 Thanks for explaining. So if I understand correctly, it doesn't matter which entity holds the loan - what matters is where/how the money is used? If I really wanted to keep the properties in separate LLCs, could I loan the money from Blue Ridge to Sunset (with proper documentation) and then have Sunset pay interest to Blue Ridge? Would that work better tax-wise?

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5 That's exactly right - what matters is how the funds are used, not which entity holds the loan. The IRS "traces" the funds to their ultimate use. Your idea about a documented loan between the LLCs has potential. If Blue Ridge loans the refinanced funds to Sunset with a properly documented loan agreement at a reasonable interest rate, Sunset could deduct the interest it pays to Blue Ridge on its tax return. Blue Ridge would report the interest income it receives from Sunset. However, Blue Ridge would still need to pay tax on that interest income, and it would still have its own interest expense to the bank which may or may not be fully deductible depending on your overall tax situation. This approach needs careful documentation to withstand IRS scrutiny - proper loan agreements, reasonable interest rates, regular payment schedules, etc.

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7 Another option you might consider is having your operating company (Blue Ridge LLC) make a capital contribution to the second LLC rather than structuring it as a loan. The downside is you wouldn't get the interest deduction, but it simplifies the arrangement. Or, you could have the second LLC (Sunset) be a wholly-owned subsidiary of Blue Ridge. In that case, if you're doing single-member LLCs with pass-through taxation, it might all end up on the same Schedule E anyway (depending on how you've elected to be taxed). Just some alternatives to consider that might be simpler than navigating the interest tracing rules.

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10 Wouldn't making Sunset a subsidiary of Blue Ridge defeat the purpose of having separate LLCs for liability protection though? I thought the whole point was to keep the properties legally separate so problems with one don't affect the other.

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7 You raise an excellent point about liability protection. Yes, having Sunset as a subsidiary of Blue Ridge would potentially undermine some of the liability protection since they would be connected entities. If liability protection between properties is your primary concern, then keeping them as truly separate entities makes sense. In that case, the capital contribution approach might not be ideal either. You might be better off having Sunset LLC obtain its own financing directly for the new property purchase. That way each property and its associated debt are clearly contained within their respective entities, and the interest expense clearly matches the income-producing activity in each LLC.

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22 My accountant told me that the IRS cares more about substance over form in these cases. If you're the 100% owner of both LLCs and they're both disregarded entities (single-member LLCs), all this might be a moot point because everything flows to your personal return anyway. The interest would be deductible as business interest regardless of which LLC technically holds the loan. Now if they're different tax entities (like one's a partnership and one's an S-Corp) or have different owners, that's where it gets complicated and the interest tracing rules become super important.

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1 That makes a lot of sense and aligns with what I've read. Both LLCs are indeed single-member and disregarded for tax purposes, flowing through to my personal return. I was overthinking this! If everything ends up on my Schedule E anyway, then the interest should be deductible against my rental income regardless of which LLC technically has the loan or property. I guess the important thing is just making sure I have proper documentation showing the business purpose of the loan (acquiring rental property). Thanks for pointing this out - sometimes the simplest answer is right there but easy to miss when you're deep in the details!

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