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Omar Zaki

IRS account suddenly shows $9,669.23 owed for 2019 when I was a student with no income - Will this block my 2024 refund?

I was checking my IRS online account yesterday and almost had a heart attack. It shows I owe $9,669.23 for tax year 2019, listed as "Assessed Total" and "Income Tax Total". I can clearly see it on my account summary page where all tax years are listed. It shows: Tax Year 2024: INFO Tax Year 2023: $0.00 Tax Year 2022: $0.00 Tax Year 2021: $0.00 Tax Year 2020: $0.00 Tax Year 2019: $9,669.23 When I click on the 2019 tax year, it breaks down as: Income Tax Type: - Assessed Total: $9,669.23 - Income Tax Total: $9,669.23 The weird thing is I didn't even file taxes that year because I was a full-time student with basically no income. All the other years show $0.00 owed as you can see in the breakdown above. I'm planning to file my 2024 taxes next month but now I'm worried this will prevent me from getting my refund. Has anyone dealt with something like this before? Does the IRS just randomly decide you owe them money? And how will this affect my current year filing? I'm freaking out seeing this nearly $10K debt that appeared out of nowhere on my account.

This is likely what's called a Substitute for Return (SFR) that the IRS filed on your behalf for 2019. When you don't file a tax return but the IRS receives income documents (W-2s, 1099s, etc.) showing you had reportable income, they'll eventually create a return for you - but they do it in the most unfavorable way possible: • They include all reported income but don't know about your deductions • They typically file you as single with just standard deduction • They don't include education credits you might have qualified for • They don't consider any withholding you might have had You need to file your own 2019 return ASAP with your actual information. This will replace their SFR and likely reduce or eliminate what you owe. You mentioned being a student - did you have any scholarships, grants, or part-time jobs that year? Those would generate tax documents the IRS received. As for your 2024 return - yes, unfortunately they can hold your refund and apply it to past due tax debt. Best to resolve this quickly.

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Thank you! This makes a lot of sense now. I did have a small campus job in 2019 and a scholarship. I thought my income was too low to file but I guess the scholarship might count as income? I'll try to find my records from that year.

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Exactly - scholarships that exceed tuition/fees count as income! And a W-2 campus job would definitely trigger this. Good luck gathering your documents.

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This happened to me last yr! Substitute returns are THE WORST. The IRS basically assumes worst case scenario for everything. Def file your actual return ASAP

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I've been in tax accounting for 15 years and see this constantly. IRS gives no benefit of the doubt on these SFRs - but once you file properly it usually resolves favorably for most students.

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Do you think I need a tax professional to help with this? Or can I just use tax software for the 2019 year?

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Most tax software still offers prior year returns. If your situation was simple (just W-2 and scholarship income), you can DIY. But if you're uncomfortable, a tax pro who handles IRS resolution might be worth it.

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You DEFINITELY need to address this before filing your 2024 return. The IRS will 100% keep your refund and apply it to this past due amount if you don't get it resolved. Ask me how I know 😭

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Check your mail history carefully. The IRS would have sent multiple notices before assessing this amount. Did you move during/after 2019? They might have been sending notices to an old address. Either way, the SFR process doesn't happen quickly - they typically send at least 3-4 notices over 6+ months before filing for you.

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I did move twice since then! Once after graduating and then again last year. I never thought to update my address with the IRS since I wasn't filing. That explains why I never saw any notices.

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That's exactly what happened then. Always file a change of address form with USPS when you move, and ideally update your address directly with the IRS using Form 8822. For now, focus on filing that 2019 return correctly.

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The IRS is so broken rn. Last year they claimed I owed $22k from 2018 when I made like $30k that year LOL. Had to file an amended return and it took FOREVER to get resolved. Good luck frendo

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Omg that's terrifying. How long did it take to resolve?

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About 8 months from when I filed the amended return until they finally adjusted my account. And they still charged me interest for THEIR mistake 🤬

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Pro tip: When you file your 2019 return, include a letter explaining your student status and why you didn't originally file. Also make sure to check the box that indicates it replaces a substitute return. Don't just e-file - this needs to be paper filed with all supporting documentation attached.

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Thank you! Does the IRS have a specific form for this type of letter or do I just write one myself?

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Just write one yourself. Keep it brief and factual - explain you were a student, your actual income, and that you're filing to replace their SFR. Make sure to put your SSN and tax year at the top of the letter. And MAKE COPIES OF EVERYTHING before sending!

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This just happened to my roommate! The IRS did a substitute return based on a 1099 he got from selling some stocks in 2019, but they calculated it as if his cost basis was $0 (so pure profit). When he filed his actual return showing what he really paid for the stocks, the $7000 tax bill became like $200.

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If u think ur too broke to owe taxes u still need to file!!! IRS doesnt know ur situation unless u tell them. I learned this the hard way too 🤦‍♀️

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Especially with scholarships! The school reports them to IRS but doesn't always clarify what was for tuition vs living expenses. Big tax trap for students.

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I had a substitute return filed against me years ago. The original amount they claimed I owed was about $14k. After I filed my correct return, I ended up getting a $1,200 REFUND. Do not just pay what they say you owe!!!

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Same! They wanted $5k from me but after filing properly with all my deductions I ended up owing $120. The system is designed to scare you into paying the max amount.

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Not sure if this applies to your situation, but look into whether you were claimed as a dependent by your parents in 2019. That could affect how you should file your return vs how the IRS filed the substitute return for you.

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Good point! I was definitely claimed as a dependent that year since I was in college and my parents were supporting me. I'll need to make sure that's reflected in my filing.

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you cud try taxpayer advocate service too. theyre free and work within the irs to help ppl. but theyre super backed up rite now so might take months to get assigned someone

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I'm a CPA and see this all the time. Don't panic! File your 2019 return ASAP. If your income was mostly from scholarships, make sure to complete Form 8615 to show which portion was used for qualified education expenses (non-taxable) vs living expenses (taxable). Most tax prep software doesn't handle this well for prior years, so you might want professional help.

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Actually it's Form 8917 for education expenses, not 8615 (that's for kiddie tax). But yes 100% agree with everything else!

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You're right! Thanks for catching that. Form 8615 is kiddie tax. I meant Form 8917 for tuition deduction or 8863 for education credits, depending on what OP qualifies for.

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yoooo i had almost the EXACT same issue. the irs filed a SFR for 2018 saying i owed like $7k. turns out when u don't file they just make up numbers that benefit them not u. after i filed properly it dropped to like $600 which i could manage. def do not ignore this!! it won't go away and will just get worse with penalties and interest

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