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Oliver Becker

IRS Installment Agreement confusion - will I still owe after 72 months?

So I recently found out something concerning about my wife's 6-year installment agreement with the IRS for back taxes from before we got married. She was under the impression that after making all 72 monthly payments, the debt would be completely paid off including any penalties and interest. When we checked her account last week, we realized the amount she still owes is actually more than what she would pay during the remaining months of her agreement! Looking into it, it seems penalties and interest continue accruing during an installment agreement? Currently, she owes about $8,000 more than when she started the payment plan. Does this mean when the six years are up, she'll still have that $8,000 plus whatever else accrues to pay off? It's super frustrating that the interest rate appears to change regularly, making it impossible to calculate when we'll finally be debt-free. We would try to pay more each month, but we have our first baby on the way and were hoping to finance a reliable family car instead of throwing more money at past tax debt. Just trying to understand if we're stuck in this cycle forever or if there's something we're missing? Don't really want to waste half a day on the phone with the IRS if someone here can clarify. Any advice appreciated!

The confusion you're experiencing is actually quite common with IRS installment agreements. Yes, interest and penalties continue to accrue while you're making payments on an installment plan. The IRS charges interest compounded daily, and the rate is adjusted quarterly (currently around 7-8%). Additionally, there's usually a 0.25% failure-to-pay penalty each month, though this is reduced to 0.25% when you're on an installment agreement. This is why many people find themselves in a situation where their payments barely cover the ongoing interest, especially with larger tax debts. It's similar to making minimum payments on a credit card with a high interest rate. You have a few options to consider: 1. Increase your monthly payment amount if possible 2. Look into an "Offer in Compromise" to settle for less than the full amount 3. Request a review of your agreement to see if you qualify for a partial payment installment agreement 4. Check if your wife qualifies for "Currently Not Collectible" status based on financial hardship I'd recommend getting all your documentation together and either consulting with a tax professional or contacting the IRS directly to review your options.

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Oliver Becker

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Thank you for explaining! So there's really no end date then? The 72 months is just the length of the agreement but not necessarily when the debt will be paid off? That's... honestly devastating news. Do you know if the Offer in Compromise is difficult to get approved? We're not in dire financial hardship but with a baby coming, our budget is definitely tight.

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The 72-month timeframe is indeed just the term of the agreement, not a guarantee that the debt will be fully paid off by then. If the monthly payments aren't enough to cover both the original tax debt plus all the accruing penalties and interest, there will be a remaining balance at the end of the agreement period. At that point, you'd typically need to renegotiate a new agreement for the remaining balance. An Offer in Compromise can be challenging to get approved as the IRS has strict criteria. They essentially look at your ability to pay, income, expenses, and asset equity. They want to see that you genuinely cannot afford to pay the full amount over time. The approval rate has improved in recent years, but still runs around 30-40%. If you're employed with steady income, it may be difficult unless there are special circumstances. Given your growing family, you might want to recalculate your reasonable living expenses, as the IRS does make allowances for dependents. This could potentially help with either an Offer in Compromise or a revised installment agreement.

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You might want to look into a "Partial Payment Installment Agreement" (PPIA) instead of your current plan. With a PPIA, you only pay what you can reasonably afford based on your income and necessary living expenses, and after a certain period (usually 5-7 years), any remaining balance may be uncollectible due to the Collection Statute Expiration Date (CSED). The IRS can only collect for 10 years from the date of assessment, so depending on when your wife's taxes were assessed, some of that debt might be approaching the expiration date. This is something many people don't realize! The downside is that the IRS reviews PPIAs every two years to see if your financial situation has improved, and they may require financial statements to get approved. But with a baby on the way, your necessary living expenses will increase, which could work in your favor for qualification.

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Oliver Becker

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I had no idea there was a time limit on how long they can collect! That's super helpful to know. Her assessment dates are from about 5 years ago, so we might not have too much longer under the 10-year rule. Do you know if applying for this PPIA would reset any clocks or create other complications? And would previous payments made under the current agreement still count?

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Entering into a PPIA doesn't reset the 10-year collection statute - that's a common misconception. The collection statute only gets extended in very specific situations like filing bankruptcy, submitting an Offer in Compromise, or leaving the country for an extended period. Simply changing your payment plan doesn't affect the CSED. All the payments your wife has already made absolutely still count - they've been applied to her account balance (though as you've discovered, much of it likely went to interest and penalties rather than principal). When you apply for a PPIA, the IRS will look at the current balance, not the original amount. One important thing to note: make sure you continue making the payments on your current agreement until the new one is approved. Missing payments could trigger enforcement actions like tax liens or levies.

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Omar Zaki

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Has your wife considered calling the Taxpayer Advocate Service? They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems. They might be able to look at her specific situation and help identify options that regular IRS agents might not suggest. Just Google "Taxpayer Advocate Service" + your state to find the local office contact info. They're FREE and actually helpful, unlike most IRS interactions!

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The Taxpayer Advocate Service is completely overwhelmed right now. I applied for help in March and just got a response last week saying they can't take my case because it's not an "immediate financial hardship." Unless you're about to be evicted or have your utilities shut off, don't waste your time. They're prioritizing only the most desperate cases.

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Saleem Vaziri

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This is exactly why I always recommend people calculate the true cost of installment agreements before signing up. The IRS is required to provide you with information about how interest and penalties will accrue, but they often don't make it crystal clear that your payments might not even cover the ongoing charges. One thing that might help immediately: check if your wife qualifies for "innocent spouse relief" if any of these tax debts originated from joint returns filed before you were married. This could potentially eliminate her responsibility for some of the debt entirely. Also, you mentioned the interest rate changes regularly - it's actually adjusted quarterly based on federal short-term rates plus 3%. Right now it's around 7%, but it was as low as 3% during the pandemic. The IRS publishes these rates on their website if you want to track them. Given that you have a baby on the way, definitely document all your increased expenses (childcare, medical, etc.) as this could qualify you for a hardship determination or reduced payment plan. The IRS does recognize that life circumstances change, and new dependents significantly impact your ability to pay.

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Lim Wong

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This is really helpful information! I didn't know about the innocent spouse relief option - that could definitely be worth looking into since some of the debt is from before we got married. The quarterly interest rate adjustments explain why it's been so hard to predict our payoff timeline. At 7% compounded daily, no wonder we're barely making a dent in the principal balance. Do you know what kind of documentation we'd need to show increased expenses for the baby? We're still a few months away from delivery, but I assume things like estimated childcare costs and medical expenses would count? It sounds like getting ahead of this could really help our case for a payment reduction.

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Carmen Diaz

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I went through a very similar situation a few years ago and can share some hard-learned lessons. First, you're absolutely right to be concerned - installment agreements can become endless cycles if the payment amount doesn't exceed the monthly interest and penalty charges. Here's what I wish I had known earlier: Request a detailed breakdown of how your monthly payment is being applied. The IRS should be able to tell you exactly how much of each payment goes to principal vs. interest/penalties. If less than 50% is going to principal, you're essentially treading water. A few practical steps that helped me: 1. Calculate the minimum payment needed to make actual progress (usually 20-30% higher than what covers just interest) 2. Request penalty abatement for any months you can qualify for - this can significantly reduce the total debt 3. Consider making extra payments specifically designated for principal reduction 4. If your financial situation has changed since starting the agreement, request a review The 10-year collection statute mentioned by others is real, but don't count on it as your primary strategy. Focus on either increasing payments to attack the principal or exploring other options like an Offer in Compromise. With a baby coming, document everything about your changing financial situation - the IRS does consider family circumstances in hardship determinations. Good luck!

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Sienna Gomez

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This is incredibly helpful advice, thank you! I never thought to ask for a breakdown of how the payments are being applied - that seems like such basic information that should be provided automatically. The idea of making extra payments specifically designated for principal reduction is brilliant. We might not be able to increase the regular monthly payment right now, but we could potentially make occasional lump sum payments when we get tax refunds or bonuses and ensure those go directly to reducing the actual debt rather than just feeding the interest machine. Your point about documenting the changing financial situation is well-taken. We've been so focused on the immediate concern about the debt cycle that we hadn't really thought strategically about how the baby will affect our ability to pay. It sounds like being proactive about this could really work in our favor. Do you remember roughly how long it took the IRS to respond when you requested the payment breakdown and review of your financial situation? I'm hoping to get this sorted before the baby arrives and our lives get completely chaotic!

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Vincent Bimbach

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I'm dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share what I've learned from talking to several tax professionals. The key thing that's often overlooked is that you can request what's called a "Financial Hardship Review" even if you're current on your installment agreement payments. With a baby on the way, your situation is actually perfect timing for this. The IRS recognizes that major life changes like new dependents significantly impact your ability to pay. You can submit Form 433-A (Collection Information Statement) along with documentation of your expected expenses for the baby - things like projected medical costs, childcare if both parents work, increased food and clothing expenses, etc. What's particularly relevant to your situation is that the IRS may agree to suspend collection activities entirely under "Currently Not Collectible" status if your necessary living expenses exceed your income. During this time, penalties and interest continue to accrue, but you're not required to make payments. More importantly, the 10-year collection statute continues to run. I'd also suggest requesting a complete account transcript to see exactly when each tax year was assessed. If any of the debt is close to the 10-year mark, it might make more sense to focus on financial hardship options rather than trying to pay down debt that could expire soon anyway. The timing with your growing family could actually work strongly in your favor - just make sure to document everything properly when you apply.

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Oscar O'Neil

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This is really eye-opening information about the Financial Hardship Review and Currently Not Collectible status! I had no idea these options existed beyond the standard installment agreement. The timing aspect is particularly interesting - if the collection statute keeps running during CNC status while payments are suspended, that could potentially be better than making payments that mostly go to interest anyway. The idea of getting account transcripts to check assessment dates is smart too. If some of this debt is already 5+ years old, we might want to focus our limited resources on newer debt that has more time left on the collection period. Do you know if there are any downsides to CNC status? Like does it affect credit scores or make it harder to get financing for things like the family car we're hoping to buy? And can you switch back to an installment agreement later if your financial situation improves, or are you locked into one approach? Thank you for this detailed explanation - it's giving us hope that there might be better options than just grinding away at this endless payment cycle!

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