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Zainab Ibrahim

How to properly calculate COGS for a service-based LLC Partnership when Partners don't take wages

I'm trying to wrap my head around tax filing for our service-based LLC Partnership (just me and my spouse) but honestly feel a bit lost. We might end up hiring a CPA but I'm determined to at least try filing myself before the extension deadline runs out. Our LLC provides creative consulting services - basically we charge a monthly retainer fee for creative direction and development to our main client. We haven't been taking actual wages, just planned to take distributions from the LLC to pay ourselves. Here's where I'm confused... I'm using TaxSlayer for our partnership return and it's asking about Cost of Goods Sold. When I looked into it, there's something about estimating "a reasonable value for labor the partners performed" in providing services. The math is throwing me off. If we received $140,000 in service fees, had around $12,000 in business expenses, and then estimated our own labor value at $90,000 for COGS, that would leave just $38,000 in gross profit. Does that mean the partners only pay income tax on the $38,000? But we'd potentially distribute $128,000 to ourselves ($140k minus $12k expenses). Surely we're taxed on the full $128,000 we'd distribute and not just the $38,000 after deducting our own labor "cost"? That seems like a massive tax advantage that can't be right. I keep reading that partners pay tax on the partnership's profits, and distributions aren't taxed separately since they're just transfers of those already-taxed profits. But I'm completely confused about how this COGS thing works for a service business. Please help me understand what I'm missing!

StarSailor

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I can help clear this up! For a service-based LLC Partnership, you're getting confused about a fundamental concept. Partners in a service business typically don't include their own labor as part of COGS. Cost of Goods Sold is generally for businesses that produce or sell physical products. For your creative consulting partnership, your gross receipts ($140,000) minus your legitimate business expenses ($12,000) equals your net business income of $128,000. This $128,000 is what flows through to you and your spouse's personal tax returns via Schedule K-1, and you'll pay tax on your respective shares of this amount. The distributions you take from the business are essentially just moving money that's already been taxed (or will be taxed) on your personal returns. That's why distributions themselves aren't separately taxed. You're right to question that calculation - if you could just assign a "value" to your own labor and deduct it, every service business would do this to minimize taxes! The IRS doesn't allow partners to treat their own service value as a deductible expense.

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Thanks for explaining! So if I understand correctly, we CAN'T deduct our own labor value even though TaxSlayer seems to be suggesting we can? I was really confused because the software has this whole section about "cost of labor" that made it sound like our own work could count. One follow-up question - if we had actually hired other people to do some of the creative work (like freelancers or employees), would THOSE labor costs be deductible business expenses?

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StarSailor

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You've got it exactly right - you cannot deduct the value of your own labor as partners. The TaxSlayer section is likely referring to labor costs for businesses that produce physical inventory, which doesn't apply to your situation. The software has to accommodate many different business types, which sometimes creates confusion for specific scenarios like yours. Yes, if you hired employees or freelancers to perform creative work for your business, those payments would absolutely be deductible business expenses. Those are legitimate costs of running your business and would reduce your partnership's taxable income. This includes any wages, contractor payments, payroll taxes, and benefits paid to actual employees or independent contractors who aren't partners.

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I'm curious too - does it actually give specific advice for your situation or just generic explanations? I'm in a 3-person partnership where we all do different amounts of work, so wondering if it would help with our complicated setup.

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Amina Sy

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Just to add some clarity on the partnership tax structure - partners can take money from the business in two ways: 1. Guaranteed payments - these are like regular payments for services rendered regardless of partnership profits. They're deductible by the partnership but still subject to self-employment tax for the partner receiving them. 2. Distributions - these are distributions of profit and aren't deductible by the partnership. They've already been taxed as income flowing through to your personal return. The confusion often happens because people want to "pay themselves" but don't understand the tax treatment. You can't deduct partner labor as COGS, but you can structure guaranteed payments if you want to create more of a salary-like arrangement.

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I'm confused about the guaranteed payments part. If we do guaranteed payments instead of distributions, don't we end up paying MORE in taxes because of the self-employment tax? Or is there some advantage I'm missing?

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Amina Sy

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You're right about potentially paying more in taxes with guaranteed payments due to self-employment tax. However, there are situations where guaranteed payments make sense: When you need consistent income regardless of profitability (similar to a salary), guaranteed payments provide that predictability. They're also useful when partners contribute significantly different levels of work - you can compensate for work through guaranteed payments while maintaining equal ownership through distributions. Some partnerships use a combination approach: modest guaranteed payments for actual work performed, then distributions for the remaining profits. This balances the need for regular income with tax efficiency. The right structure depends on your specific situation, including cash flow needs, relative contributions of partners, and other tax considerations unique to your circumstances.

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Heres a simple example that might help make things clearer: Let's say your service LLC makes $200k revenue with $50k in legit business expenses (rent, software, travel, etc). That leaves $150k in profit. That $150k flows through to you and your spouse's personal tax returns based on ownership %. You cant deduct some made-up "value of partner labor" from this. If you want to take $120k out of the business, you just take $120k in distributions. The distributions arent separately taxed bc you already are taxed on the full $150k profit whether you take it out or leave it in the business. Does that help? Your tax software is probably just confusing you because its trying to handle both product and service businesses with the same screens.

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I think everyone's overcomplicating this. COGS is for when you're selling STUFF not SERVICES. If your making furniture or selling t-shirts you have COGS. If your just providing creative work its not COGS, its just business income.

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