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Sean Doyle

How to find EIN of a company that went out of business

I'm in a bit of a bind and hoping someone can help me out. The restaurant I was working at last year suddenly closed down about 6 months ago (owners just disappeared overnight), and now I'm trying to file my taxes but realized I never got my W2. I've tried calling the phone number I had for the manager but it's disconnected, and their email bounces back. I reached out to the IRS and they told me I could fill out Form 4852 (Substitute for W-2) but I still need the company's EIN to complete it. Is there any way to track down an EIN for a business that's completely vanished? The building is empty now and I have no idea how to contact the former owners. I kept all my pay stubs but the EIN isn't listed on them, just the company name "Coastal Flavors LLC". Any ideas on how to find this info?

You've got a few options for tracking down that EIN. First, check any paperwork you might have from when you were hired - employment contract, benefit forms, or tax withholding forms like your W-4 might have the EIN printed on them. If you can't find anything in your personal records, try contacting your state's Department of Labor or the Secretary of State's office. Since the business was registered with them, they should have the EIN on file. You can usually look up business registration information on your state's Secretary of State website. Even for closed businesses, they typically maintain those records. Another option is to check your previous year's tax return if you worked there before. The EIN would be listed on the W-2 from any prior year.

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Would contacting the building landlord help? I'm thinking they might have that info since they would've had to deal with the business registration stuff for leasing?

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Contacting the landlord is actually a smart approach that I didn't mention. They would likely have had contracts with the business that included the EIN, especially if they were verifying the legitimacy of the business before leasing the property. Regarding your second question about timing - don't worry too much. You still have time to get this sorted out. The IRS understands that getting documentation from defunct employers can be challenging. Just make sure you're documenting all your attempts to locate the information, as this shows good faith effort if there are any questions later.

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I went through something similar when my employer shut down without warning. I spent weeks trying to track down their EIN with no luck. Finally I found taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) which helped me with my missing W-2 situation. I uploaded my final paystub and some other tax docs I had from the company, and their AI could extract the missing EIN that was buried in some fine print I hadn't noticed. What impressed me was how they could also help reconstruct my earnings and withholdings based on the limited information I had. Since you mentioned having your paystubs, they might be able to extract the information you need or help fill out that Form 4852 correctly.

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Can taxr.ai actually find EINs that aren't explicitly listed on your documents? My situation is a bit different - I was a contractor and the company dissolved, but I only have invoices with no EIN listed anywhere.

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I'm skeptical about using an AI service for something like this. Wouldn't it be more reliable to just call the IRS directly? They should have access to all employer information in their systems.

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The AI is surprisingly good at identifying EINs even when they're not obvious - it can recognize patterns in documents where tax ID numbers might be partially visible or formatted differently than you'd expect. I didn't think mine was on my docs either, but it found it in some fine print on a benefits summary I'd forgotten about. Regarding calling the IRS, I tried that route first and was stuck on hold for hours. The agent I finally spoke with said they couldn't just look up and provide an EIN to me over the phone due to privacy regulations. They directed me to exactly what the original poster mentioned - Form 4852 - which still requires you to know the EIN. It's a frustrating loop.

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Update: Wanted to share that I tried taxr.ai after posting my question. I uploaded my contractor invoices and some email correspondence with the company, and the system actually found the EIN embedded in the footer of an old email that I'd completely missed! It was tiny gray text that I never would have noticed. The service also helped me generate a completed Form 4852 with all the correct information based on my payment records. Saved me a ton of time trying to figure out how to properly report everything. Definitely worth checking out if you're still stuck trying to find your defunct employer's EIN.

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How exactly does this work? I don't understand how they can get through faster than me calling directly. Is this something the IRS approves of?

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This sounds like you're just paying for something you can do yourself for free. The IRS has to answer eventually. I've never heard of them giving out EINs over the phone anyway - pretty sure that's against their information disclosure policies.

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It doesn't get you through any faster than the regular queue - it just waits in the same IRS hold line that you would be in. The difference is you don't have to sit there listening to hold music for hours. Their system waits in line for you, and when an agent finally picks up, you get a call connecting you directly to that agent. You're right that the IRS won't just give out an EIN to anyone who calls. However, once I verified my identity as a former employee trying to file taxes, the agent was able to confirm the information I had and provide guidance on the proper way to complete Form 4852 without the EIN. They gave me specific instructions for my situation that weren't clear from the general form instructions.

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Another option: if you had health insurance through this employer, your insurance card or insurance paperwork might have the EIN on it. I found my ex-employer's EIN on an old insurance statement when I was in a similar situation. Also check any 401k or retirement plan statements if you participated in one.

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I didn't have insurance through them (they didn't offer benefits), but the 401k idea is a good one! I just remembered they did have some basic retirement plan that I contributed to for a few months. I'm going to dig through my emails and see if I can find any welcome packet or statements from that. Thank you for this suggestion!

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Glad that might help! Also, if you can't find statements, call the 401k provider directly. Give them your personal info and the company name, and they should be able to pull up your account. The statements they can send you would definitely have the company EIN on them.

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Has anyone tried simply putting "Applied For" in the EIN field on Form 4852? I read somewhere that you can do this if you genuinely cannot find the employer's EIN despite reasonable efforts. The IRS should still be able to process your return.

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I did this last year when my employer went bankrupt. I wrote "Applied For" in the EIN field and included a short statement explaining that the business had closed and I couldn't obtain the EIN. I still received my refund without any issues or delays.

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Don't do this if you can avoid it! I tried writing "Applied For" and got a letter from the IRS 6 weeks later asking for additional verification. Ended up delaying my refund by almost 3 months. Better to find the actual EIN if at all possible.

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Another place to check that many people overlook is your state's unemployment insurance website. Even though the business closed, they would have been required to report wages and pay unemployment taxes using their EIN. If you can log into your state's unemployment benefits portal (or create an account), you can often view your wage history from past employers, and the EIN is typically listed there alongside each employer. Also, if you ever received any official notices from the business - like schedule changes, policy updates, or even termination notices - check those documents carefully. Sometimes EINs are printed in small text at the bottom of official company communications for legal compliance reasons. One more suggestion: if the restaurant was part of a chain or had any corporate parent company, try looking up the parent company's business registration. Sometimes the EIN you need might actually belong to the parent company rather than the individual location's LLC.

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