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Haley Stokes

How to fill out new W-4 form without allowances section? W-4 dependents options confusing

I'm starting a new job next week and I'm completely lost trying to fill out the W-4 form. I've always filled these out in the past by claiming 1 allowance (I'm single, no kids) to reduce my withholding a bit and avoid getting a huge refund later. But this new W-4 doesn't have the allowances section anymore! Instead, there are these fields asking about dependent children and other dependents. Since I don't have any kids, I assume I put 0 for child dependents. But what about that "other dependents" section? Should I put 1 there to get the same effect as claiming 1 allowance on the old form? Or is that totally different? I tried using the IRS tax withholding estimator to figure this out and got even more confused. When I put 1 dependent in the calculator, it showed I'd get a HIGHER refund than if I put 0 dependents. That seems backward - shouldn't claiming a dependent mean LESS tax withheld and therefore a SMALLER refund? Can someone please explain how to fill out this new W-4 if I want similar withholding to when I claimed 1 allowance on the old form? Should I put 0 for both dependent fields or use some other approach? Really appreciate any help here!

Asher Levin

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The W-4 underwent a major redesign in 2020, and the allowances system was completely eliminated. This is causing a lot of confusion for people who were used to the old system! If you're single with no dependents and want to achieve a similar withholding to when you claimed 1 allowance on the old form, you should NOT claim dependents you don't actually have. The "other dependents" section is for actual qualifying dependents who aren't your children. Instead, there are two main approaches you can take: 1. Simply complete Step 1 (personal info) and Step 5 (sign and date) while leaving Steps 2-4 blank. This is the standard withholding for a single person with one job and no dependents. 2. If you want less withholding (similar to claiming extra allowances before), use Step 4(c) where you can directly enter an additional amount you want withheld per pay period. You can enter a negative number here to reduce your withholding. The reason the tax calculator showed a higher refund with a dependent is because it assumed you were eligible for dependent-related tax credits, which would increase your refund. But claiming a dependent you don't have would be incorrect on your tax return.

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Serene Snow

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Thank you for the explanation! So to clarify - if I want similar withholding to my old W-4 with 1 allowance, should I just do option 1 (only steps 1 and 5)? Or would I need to put some additional amount in step 4c? If so, how would I calculate what to put there?

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Asher Levin

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If you want a withholding similar to the old W-4 with 1 allowance (which was basically the standard for a single person), then completing just Steps 1 and 5 would be your best approach. This sets up the standard withholding for your filing status. If you want to fine-tune the withholding amount more precisely, you could use the IRS Withholding Estimator tool on the IRS website to calculate the optimal amount. It will tell you exactly what to enter in Step 4(c) based on your specific situation. This is especially helpful if you have multiple jobs, additional income sources, or want to target a specific refund amount.

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Sara Unger

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One important thing nobody's mentioned yet: the W-4 isn't just about getting a smaller refund - it's about getting your withholding right so you don't end up OWING money at tax time. That happened to me last year and it was a nasty surprise. Instead of trying to match your old W-4 setting, you should use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their official site. It'll ask for income details, expected deductions, credits, etc. and give you the exact instructions for each line of the W-4. If you're single with one job and no complicated tax situation, you could probably just fill out Step 1 and Step 5 and be fine. But if you have any other income, plan to itemize deductions, or have specific refund goals, definitely use the estimator.

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Would you recommend adjusting the W-4 mid-year if circumstances change? Like if I get a significant raise or change jobs? I've always just set it and forget it.

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Sara Unger

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Absolutely you should adjust your W-4 when circumstances change! That's actually one of the biggest advantages of the new form - it's designed to be more responsive to changes in your tax situation. Major life events like getting married, having a child, buying a house, or getting a significant raise/bonus should all trigger a W-4 review. Even smaller changes like starting a side gig or changing your retirement contributions can impact your tax liability. The best practice is to revisit your withholding whenever anything changes that might affect your taxes, and definitely after any major life event.

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Freya Ross

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Has anyone tried just checking the box in Step 2(c) for multiple jobs? I did that thinking it would be similar to the old 0 allowances, but my first paycheck had WAY more withheld than I expected. Almost 35% of my check went to federal taxes!

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Leslie Parker

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That checkbox is designed for people with multiple jobs or working spouses - it essentially tells your employer to withhold at a higher rate to cover the tax from your combined income. If you only have one job, you shouldn't check that box unless you have other significant income sources.

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Paolo Conti

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I went through this exact same confusion when I started my new job last month! The key thing to understand is that the new W-4 is designed to be more accurate, but it works completely differently from the old allowances system. Here's what worked for me as a single person with no dependents: I filled out Step 1 (basic info) and Step 5 (signature), leaving Steps 2-4 blank. This gives you the standard withholding for a single person with one job. DO NOT put anything in the dependents sections unless you actually have qualifying dependents - that's not how you adjust withholding anymore. The "other dependents" field is for actual dependents like elderly parents you support, not a way to reduce withholding. If after your first paycheck you find the withholding is too high or too low, you can always submit a new W-4 using Step 4(c) to add extra withholding (positive number) or reduce withholding (you'd work with HR on this). The IRS withholding estimator on their official website is really helpful once you have a pay stub to work with. It'll tell you exactly what adjustments to make if needed. Much better to start simple and adjust than to guess wrong from the beginning!

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Abby Marshall

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation as the original poster - single, no dependents, and totally confused by this new form. Your approach of starting simple with just Steps 1 and 5 makes a lot of sense. I was overthinking it and trying to figure out some complicated way to replicate my old allowances setup. One question though - how long should I wait after starting the job before I know if the withholding is right? Is one paycheck enough to tell, or should I wait a few pay periods to see the pattern? I'm worried about making adjustments too quickly and then overcorrecting.

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Isabella Costa

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I'd recommend waiting for at least 2-3 paychecks to get a good sense of your withholding pattern, especially if you're paid bi-weekly. One paycheck might be affected by the timing of when you started (partial pay period) or other factors. Once you have a few pay stubs, you can annualize the numbers to see if you're on track. Take your federal withholding from one full paycheck, multiply by the number of pay periods in a year (26 for bi-weekly, 24 for semi-monthly, etc.), and compare that to what you expect your total tax liability to be. The IRS withholding estimator becomes much more accurate once you have actual pay stub data to input rather than estimates. If you find you need to adjust, don't worry about overcorrecting - you can always submit another W-4 later in the year if needed. The new system is designed to be more flexible for mid-year adjustments than the old allowances system was.

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Nora Bennett

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The confusion around the new W-4 is totally understandable! I went through the same thing when I changed jobs earlier this year. Here's what I learned that might help: The new W-4 eliminated allowances because they were often confusing and led to incorrect withholding. The IRS designed the new form to be more precise, but it definitely has a learning curve. For your situation (single, no dependents, wanting similar withholding to claiming 1 allowance), here's what I'd recommend: 1. Fill out only Step 1 (personal information) and Step 5 (signature/date). Leave Steps 2-4 blank. This sets up standard withholding for a single filer with one job. 2. DO NOT put anything in the dependents sections unless you actually have qualifying dependents. These aren't substitutes for the old allowances system. 3. After you get your first few paychecks, use the official IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (not third-party tools) to see if you need adjustments. If so, you can submit a new W-4 with an amount in Step 4(c). The reason the tax calculator showed a higher refund when you entered a dependent is because it assumed you'd qualify for dependent tax credits, which you wouldn't actually get if you don't have dependents. Start simple - the new system is designed to work well for straightforward situations without any manual adjustments. You can always fine-tune later once you see how your actual withholding works out!

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Talia Klein

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This is exactly the kind of clear, step-by-step guidance I was looking for! I really appreciate you breaking down why the old allowances system was replaced and how the new form is supposed to work better once you understand it. Your point about starting simple with just Steps 1 and 5 makes so much sense. I think I was making this way more complicated than it needed to be by trying to find some equivalent to my old "1 allowance" setup. It sounds like the new standard withholding should actually be pretty close to what I want anyway. I'm definitely going to use the official IRS estimator rather than random third-party sites - better to stick with the source when it comes to tax stuff. Thanks for the reminder that I can always adjust later if needed. That takes a lot of pressure off getting it "perfect" right from the start. One quick follow-up: when you say "standard withholding for a single filer with one job," does that typically result in getting a small refund, owing a small amount, or breaking even? I know it varies by situation, but just curious what "standard" usually targets.

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