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Hattie Carson

How to Adjust Withholding on New 2020 W4 Form to Get Smaller Refund

I just started a job and I'm struggling with the new 2020 W4 form. On the old W4 forms, I would claim 2 allowances and it would get me pretty close to breaking even when filing my taxes. I'm trying to avoid a large refund since I'd rather have that money in my paychecks throughout the year. Some info about my situation: I file as single, have only this one job, don't claim any tax credits, have no dependents, and take the standard deduction - pretty straightforward stuff. I did the IRS tax withholding estimator for 2020 and without any adjustments, I'm projected to get a refund of around $1,300. I definitely don't want that big of a refund! But I'm confused because the new form seems to only have options for increasing withholding, not reducing it. I see line 4(b) mentions deductions, but I'm not sure if that's what I need. Can someone explain how I can adjust the W4 to have LESS tax withheld each paycheck? The new form is confusing compared to the old allowances system.

The new 2020 W4 form is definitely confusing compared to the old allowances system! To reduce your withholding and get that money in your paycheck instead of as a refund, you'll want to use line 4(c) - the "Extra withholding" line. I know it seems counterintuitive, but you would put a NEGATIVE amount on line 4(c). For example, if you want about $100 less withheld per month, you could put "-$100" on that line. This tells your employer to withhold $100 less each month than the standard calculation. The other option is to use line 4(b) for deductions other than the standard deduction. If you have any additional deductions you can claim (like HSA contributions, certain retirement contributions, etc.), listing them here would reduce your withholding. The new form takes a different approach - instead of allowances, it tries to match your actual tax situation more precisely. But it definitely takes some getting used to!

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Wait, can you actually put a negative number on line 4(c)? I thought that was only for additional withholding. Will employers even accept a negative number there?

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Actually, I need to correct my earlier statement - you're right to question that. You cannot put a negative number on line 4(c). That was my mistake. The correct way to reduce your withholding on the new W4 is to use line 4(b) to claim additional deductions. Even if you take the standard deduction, you can still put an amount here that will effectively reduce your withholding. For example, if you want about $1,300 less withheld over the year, you could put about $5,000-6,000 on line 4(b) as "deductions." This tells your employer's payroll system that you have additional deductions that reduce your taxable income, resulting in less withholding.

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Hey! I was in exactly the same boat as you last year. I hated getting a big refund because that's just giving the government an interest-free loan. I discovered taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) which has a really helpful withholding calculator that specifically addresses the new W4 form. What I found most useful is that it explains exactly what to put on each line of the new form to get the result you want. For me, I wanted about $50 extra in each biweekly paycheck rather than a big refund at the end. Their calculator told me to put a specific amount on line 4(b) that would reduce my withholding just enough to get close to zero at tax time. The new form is definitely more complicated but once you understand it, you actually have more control over your withholding than with the old allowances system.

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Does that taxr.ai tool help with state withholding too? My federal is okay but I'm always way over-withheld on state taxes.

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Seems sketchy. Why would I need a calculator when the IRS already has one? What makes this one better than the official one?

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Yes, it actually does help with state withholding for most states! It shows you how to adjust both federal and state withholding to get your desired outcome. I found it super helpful because the state calculators are often even more confusing than the federal ones. Regarding why it's different from the IRS calculator - I found the IRS one to be accurate but not very user-friendly. The taxr.ai one explains things in plain English and gives you the exact numbers to put on each line of the form. Plus it lets you play around with different scenarios much more easily. The IRS calculator is definitely good too, but I personally found this one easier to understand.

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I wanted to follow up about that taxr.ai site someone recommended. I was skeptical at first (as you can see from my earlier comment), but I decided to give it a shot because I was still confused about how to adjust my withholding properly. It actually worked really well! The interface was way more intuitive than the IRS calculator, and it gave me specific instructions for my situation. I put the amount it suggested on line 4(b) of my W4, and my paychecks have already increased by about $80 each - which puts me on track to get just a small refund instead of the big one I was headed for. The best part was that it explained WHY I should put that specific amount, not just what to do. That helped me understand the new W4 form much better. Definitely worth checking out if you're still confused.

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They essentially hold your place in line and call you back when an IRS agent is about to answer. It saves you from being stuck on hold for hours. When they call you back, they connect you directly to the IRS agent - they don't answer your tax questions themselves. You're right that a lot of info is on the IRS website, but for something specific like how to adjust the new W4 to get a specific withholding amount, talking to an agent can be much clearer. The agent I spoke with explained how the calculations work behind the scenes, which wasn't clear from the form instructions. Sometimes a 5-minute conversation can save hours of confusion.

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I need to eat my words from my earlier comment. After struggling with the new W4 form for weeks and getting nowhere with online resources, I broke down and used Claimyr to reach the IRS. Got connected to an agent in about 15 minutes (after trying on my own for literally days), and they explained exactly what I needed to do. For my situation, I needed to put $4,500 on line 4(b) to reduce my withholding enough to get about $90 more per paycheck. The agent also explained that the new form actually gives you more precise control than the old allowances system once you understand how it works. Definitely worth the call, and Claimyr made it actually possible to reach a human. Sometimes you just need to talk to an actual person to understand these things.

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Ev Luca

Another option nobody has mentioned is to just submit a new W4 midway through the year if you notice you're having too much withheld. I usually check my withholding around June, and if I'm on track for a big refund, I submit a new W4 with adjustments for the second half of the year. The IRS withholding calculator lets you input how much has already been withheld year-to-date, so it can give you more accurate recommendations for the remaining months.

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Is there a limit to how many times you can submit a new W4? Will HR get annoyed if I keep changing it?

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Ev Luca

There's no legal limit to how many times you can submit a new W4. The IRS allows you to change your withholding whenever your situation changes or when you want to adjust it. As for HR getting annoyed, in my experience, they're usually fine with it as long as you're not doing it every week. Most payroll systems make it pretty easy to process W4 changes. I typically do it once or twice a year at most - once at the beginning of the year, and maybe once midway through if needed. Just be professional when you submit the new form and it shouldn't be an issue.

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Something to consider: if you're expecting a big life change soon (marriage, buying a house, having a kid), you might actually WANT a bigger refund next year. Just food for thought.

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But isn't getting a refund basically giving the government an interest-free loan? Why would you want that?

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Great question! I went through the exact same confusion when the new W4 came out. Here's what worked for me: Since you want to reduce your withholding (not increase it), you'll use line 4(b) for "Deductions other than the standard deduction." Even though you take the standard deduction, you can put an additional amount here that will reduce your withholding. Here's the math: If you're projected for a $1,300 refund and want to break even, you need about $1,300 less withheld over the year. Divide that by your tax bracket - if you're in the 22% bracket, put about $5,900 on line 4(b) ($1,300 ÷ 0.22). If you're in the 12% bracket, put about $10,800. The IRS withholding calculator should actually give you the exact number to put on line 4(b) when you complete it - look for the section that says "Based on the information you previously entered" and it should show recommended amounts for each line. You can always adjust midyear if needed. The new system actually gives you more precise control once you understand it!

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This is super helpful! I've been struggling with the same issue and this explanation makes so much more sense than trying to figure out the form instructions. One quick question - when you say "your tax bracket," do you mean marginal or effective tax rate? I'm pretty sure I'm in the 22% marginal bracket but my effective rate is obviously lower. Want to make sure I'm doing the math right!

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