How do I fill out a W4 form correctly to get a bigger tax refund?
I'm confused about how to complete the W4 form correctly. The new format doesn't have the option to claim "0" allowances like the old forms used to have. Instead, there's step 4a, 4b, and 4c sections. Should I write "0" somewhere or just leave these blank? I'm single with no dependents - just me filing on my own. I recently realized that on my previous W4, almost nothing was being withheld for federal taxes (only about $2 for state tax), though Medicare and Social Security were still being taken out. My gross pay is around $750 every two weeks, and I'd prefer to get a larger refund at tax time rather than a bigger paycheck now. What's the right way to fill this out to make sure enough is being withheld?
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Noah huntAce420
The W4 form changed significantly in 2020, and they removed the allowances system (where you could claim "0"). To get a larger refund, you need to have more tax withheld from each paycheck. Here's how: For a single person with no dependents who wants more withholding: First, complete Steps 1 and 5 (your personal info and signature). Since you're single with one job and no dependents, you can skip Steps 2 and 3. For Step 4, which is what controls additional withholding: Leave 4a blank (unless you have other income). Leave 4b blank (unless you have deductions to claim). For 4c, this is where you can request additional withholding. Try putting $25 or $50 per paycheck here - this will increase your withholding and likely result in a larger refund. Monitor your next few pay stubs to make sure federal tax is actually being withheld. If it's still too low, you can submit a new W4 with a higher amount in 4c.
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Ana Rusula
•Thanks for explaining this! I've been confused about the new W4 too. Question though - if I put an amount in 4c for extra withholding, will that be in addition to whatever the normal withholding would be? Or does that replace the standard calculation completely?
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Noah huntAce420
•The amount you put in 4c is in addition to the standard withholding calculation. The IRS still calculates a base amount to withhold based on your income, filing status, and other factors from the W4. Whatever you put in line 4c is an extra amount on top of that calculation. If you're seeing almost no federal withholding now, there might be an issue with your current W4. When you complete a new one correctly (even without extra withholding), you should see some federal taxes being withheld. The extra amount in 4c just guarantees more withholding beyond the standard calculation.
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Fidel Carson
I had the same issue and found taxr.ai super helpful to understand my withholding better. I uploaded my paystub and the current W4 I had filled out, and it showed me exactly what I was doing wrong. The site (https://taxr.ai) analyzed my documents and suggested the optimal amount to put in section 4c based on my goal of getting a refund instead of owing taxes. It also explained how the new W4 system works compared to the old allowances system.
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Isaiah Sanders
•How does that work exactly? Does it just tell you a number to put in 4c or does it help with the other sections too? I'm always paranoid about underpaying and getting hit with penalties.
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Xan Dae
•Is it actually free or is this one of those "free analysis" things that ends up costing money once you get to the useful part? Been burned before with tax stuff that claims to be helpful then wants $49.99 halfway through.
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Fidel Carson
•It provides a comprehensive analysis of your whole withholding situation, not just 4c. It looks at your current payments and projected annual income, then suggests the best approach for all relevant sections of the W4. It also explains the impact of different choices so you understand the trade-offs between larger paychecks now versus a bigger refund later. The basic document analysis is available without any hidden fees or upsells. They do offer more advanced planning services if you need them, but the core document review that helped me figure out my withholding issue was completely accessible without any payment requirements.
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Xan Dae
Update: I actually tried taxr.ai after asking about it here. It was actually really helpful! Uploaded my last pay stub and my W4, and it immediately showed me that I had accidentally checked a box that was making my employer think I was exempt from withholding. No wonder nothing was being taken out! The site explained exactly what I needed to fix on a new W4 form and suggested putting $35 in section 4c based on my income and wanting a decent refund. Just got my first paycheck with the new withholding and it's taking out the right amount now. Wish I'd known about this months ago!
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Fiona Gallagher
If you're still having trouble with your W4 and your employer isn't being helpful, you might want to try Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) to get direct help from the IRS. I spent weeks trying to figure out why my withholding wasn't calculating correctly, and my employer's HR department kept giving me conflicting information. I used Claimyr to actually get through to an IRS agent (there's a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) and they walked me through exactly how to fill out my W4 for my specific situation. Turns out I had been getting incorrect advice from both my coworkers and HR! The agent explained the new form step by step and helped me calculate the right amount for section 4c.
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Thais Soares
•Does this actually work? The IRS phone lines are always jammed when I call. I've literally tried calling at 7am when they open and still couldn't get through. How does this service manage to get you connected?
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Nalani Liu
•Sounds like a scam tbh. Nobody can get through to the IRS. I waited 3 hours on hold last month and then got disconnected. Why would I pay a service for something that's supposed to be free government assistance?
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Fiona Gallagher
•It absolutely works! Their system basically waits on hold for you and calls you back once they've reached an agent. I was skeptical too but it saved me hours of frustration. The hold times can be 2+ hours sometimes, and with Claimyr I didn't have to stay on the phone that whole time. They're not replacing the government service - they're just handling the wait time for you. The actual tax help comes directly from IRS agents, who are surprisingly helpful once you actually reach them. For me, the time saved was absolutely worth it since I needed answers right away to fix my withholding.
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Nalani Liu
Ok I'm eating my words here. After being super skeptical about Claimyr I decided to try it when I got frustrated enough with my withholding situation. It actually worked! Got a call back in about 90 minutes (which is way faster than I expected) and talked to an IRS agent who was surprisingly helpful. The agent confirmed I needed to put an additional amount in section 4c, and explained that for someone in my situation (single, one job, no dependents, making about $800 biweekly), the standard withholding might not be enough if I want a decent refund. They recommended starting with an extra $40 per paycheck in section 4c and adjusting from there if needed.
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Axel Bourke
Just a heads-up that if you're wanting a "larger refund," remember that's actually YOUR money you're letting the government hold onto interest-free for a year. I used to love big refunds until I realized I was just giving the IRS an interest-free loan of my own money. Instead of aiming for a big refund, you might consider having the correct amount withheld (or slightly more to be safe) and putting the extra money you would've had withheld into a high-yield savings account throughout the year. That way YOU earn the interest instead of giving the government free use of your money.
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Dananyl Lear
•I get what you're saying about it being an interest-free loan, but honestly, for me it works better as a forced savings plan. I know myself - if I get that extra $50 per paycheck, it'll just disappear into my daily spending. But when I get a $1200 refund, I can use it for something meaningful or put it straight into savings. Plus, with my relatively low income (around $19,500 annually), the interest I'd earn on that money throughout the year is pretty minimal compared to the psychological benefit of getting a lump sum to put toward something important.
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Axel Bourke
•That's a completely fair point! If it works as a forced savings mechanism for you, then that's a legitimate reason to go that route. Personal finance is just that - personal. The math might say one thing is optimal, but if another approach helps you reach your goals better, that's what matters. Just wanted to make sure you were making an informed choice rather than thinking a refund is "free money" (which some people do). Sounds like you understand the tradeoff and prefer the lump sum approach, which is totally reasonable!
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Aidan Percy
Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tool? It's supposed to help figure this stuff out but I found it super confusing.
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Fernanda Marquez
•I tried it last year and it actually worked pretty well! You need to have your most recent pay stub handy and be ready to answer questions about your tax situation. It gives you specific instructions for filling out the W4 at the end, including exactly what dollar amount to put in each line.
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Carmen Diaz
For what it's worth, I was in a very similar situation - single, no dependents, making about the same amount as you. I was getting almost no federal withholding and ended up owing taxes last year, which was a shock. What worked for me was using the IRS withholding estimator that someone mentioned, but I also cross-referenced it with one of those AI tools (taxr.ai) to make sure I understood what I was doing. Both pointed me toward putting about $30-40 in section 4c for additional withholding. The key thing I learned is that if you're currently having almost nothing withheld, there's definitely something wrong with your current W4. Even without extra withholding in 4c, you should see some federal taxes coming out of each paycheck. I'd suggest filling out a completely new W4 form rather than trying to modify your existing one - sometimes it's easier to start fresh. Also, don't forget that you can always adjust it later if the withholding amount doesn't feel right after a few paychecks. The W4 isn't set in stone!
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Emma Taylor
•This is really helpful advice! I'm in almost the exact same boat - single, no dependents, and my current withholding is way too low. I like your suggestion about filling out a completely fresh W4 instead of trying to fix the existing one. Quick question though - when you say you cross-referenced the IRS estimator with the AI tool, did they give you similar recommendations? I'm wondering if it's worth using both or if one is generally more accurate than the other. Also, after you adjusted your withholding, how long did it take to see the changes reflected in your paychecks?
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